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Mac Pro Trashcan overheating

jake blackstone said:
No, plenty of software can read and write Prores on Windows and Linux.
Or, at the very least, use a 12 core MacPro 5.1. They are cheap, plentiful, VERY reliable and can still get the job done without any drama. Add a GTX1080 and call it a day, if Prores is a deal breaker. If you can get away with DnxHR, use a PC on Windows...
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Thanks Jake
 
What are you using to reliably write ProRes on Windows? Does it support all flavors/meta tagging/Mac side streaming and distribution?

We've had some mixed results with Windows based ProRes files coming into a Mac pipeline depending on the encoder.
 
Jason Osterday said:
What are you using to reliably write ProRes on Windows? Does it support all flavors/meta tagging/Mac side streaming and distribution?

We've had some mixed results with Windows based ProRes files coming into a Mac pipeline depending on the encoder.
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Haven't tried it yet but BlackMagicDesign Fusion9 for windows seems to have a license for ProRes.

DNxHR is also supported on Mac.

But since Apple is the best company ever, "in the world" and we like expensive consumer stuff, we all use ProRes.
I have to admit: ProRes is the most professionnel product Apple is offering today.
 
Well if you are not the last guy in the chain with clients on set or in post with broadcast deadlines and a plain to catch, you can always play with adding external vents and stuff and occasional internal fiddling with a high priced "pro" labeled workstation coming from a maker with $256B under a mattress.

If you are...you can try throwing it off the building, waiting for a marching band, asphalt roller and a herd of elephants with bladder issues to go over, record all of that in slow-mo, put it on youtube and make some money with less stress.
 
Misha Engel said:
Haven't tried it yet but BlackMagicDesign Fusion9 for windows seems to have a license for ProRes.
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Fusion on Windows uses ffmpeg for Prores encoding, so no, there is no Apple license for that. On the other hand, Linux Resolve is officially Apple blessed.
For an officially Apple licensed Prores on Windows you can use Nucoda or Scratch among many others.
On Linux it's even better- Baselight, Flame, Mistika, NUKE and of coarse, as I already mentioned, Resolve.
Here is the official list, but Apple doesn't break it out by the OS platform, so, when they say Resolve, it only means, that it is supported on a Mac and Linux.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT200321
 
We had the same GPU issue using resolve and media encoder. There is only one fix: Use a big fan or AC to cool down the complete trash can while you are doing the rendering –*that is the only way to get rid of glitches.
 
Ksawery Jan Oroczko said:
We had the same GPU issue using resolve and media encoder. There is only one fix: Use a big fan or AC to cool down the complete trash can while you are doing the rendering –*that is the only way to get rid of glitches.
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No, the ONLY way to fix this is NOT to use this POS and to use an actual professional computer, that is designed to perform reliably under heavy workloads. And also a computer, that can be easily upgraded with the latest hardware without a need to buy a whole new computer when better GPUs and CPUs become available.
 
jake blackstone said:
Here is the official list, but Apple doesn't break it out by the OS platform, so, when they say Resolve, it only means, that it is supported on a Mac and Linux.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT200321
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Thanks for that list, Jake. It's interesting to see what Apple will bless, and what they won't bless.

Ksawery Jan Oroczko said:
We had the same GPU issue using resolve and media encoder. There is only one fix: Use a big fan or AC to cool down the complete trash can while you are doing the rendering –*that is the only way to get rid of glitches.
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Note that the utility Macs Fan Control is available for both Mac and Windows.

https://www.crystalidea.com/macs-fan-control

It is technically shareware, and while the download is free they encourage a $15 donation.

I have found it's better to rev the crap out of the internal fans than to try to use an external fan to cool down the GPU. The only real way to solve the problem is to avoid using underpowered systems. If you can't do that, all you can do is try to dodge the bullet as long as you can.
 
has anyone experienced problems with their Wi-Fi in their Matt trashcan ?
seems like once it overheated last week it will occasionally drop Wi-Fi and refused to connect and will even reject passwords when I try and reset
 
That sounds like electrical damage from the overheating. I'd disable the WiFi chipset at the hardware level to prevent any short outs.
 
jake blackstone said:
First, Apple finally admitted their mistake with the Trashcan design https://www.google.com/search?clien...0..0.0....0...1..64.psy-ab..0.0.0.dHbE37UyqG4
Second, if you consider yourself a PROFESSIONAL, please, please do not use anything else on a Mac side beside MacPro computer. Not an iMac, not MacBook Pro etc. Use MacPro 5.1 only. Just install GTX 1080 and you will have zero rendering issues. None!
And finally, do yourself a favor, if you absolutely set on a Mac solution, just use this:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/Apple-Desk...ml?_from=R40&_sop=15&_nkw=mac+pro+12+core+5.1
All those computers are ridiculously cheap in comparison to 6.1 and 12 core 5.1 with GTX 1080 will outperform 6.1 all day long...
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Jake,
Can I ask some questions about this?
Looks like a good temp solution for me to get through a few projects.

Any benefit to running duel GPU's?
We loose Thunderbolt on the 5.1 so is USB the only answer to connect my Raids?

Cheers,

Curtis
 
Curtis boggs said:
Jake,
Can I ask some questions about this?
Looks like a good temp solution for me to get through a few projects.

Any benefit to running duel GPU's?
We loose Thunderbolt on the 5.1 so is USB the only answer to connect my Raids?

Cheers,

Curtis
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Curtis,
if you are running the 5.1 mac, you can use e-sata for pretty fast storage. I'm not aware of anything faster...perhaps USB 3. I run on both a mac 5.1 and 6.1...i use thunderbolt storage as well as e-sata. On my 5.1 mac i use an esata 4 port connector (forgive my terminology---as it may be wrong)....anyway, i am running four 5 bay storage boxes with 4TB in each of them. They run on an indidvidul sata 3 port multiplier allowing me access to all 20 drives. I cannot tell you what speeds are, but they seem as fast as my thunderbolt solution.

Here is a link to what i have been using for many years on my 5.1 mac: Looks like they come with USB 3 now as a connection along with estata on each of them now...mine were only estata...but you can also buy theses USB 3 or estata connectors (multipliers) and install them as needed

Storage: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/Burly4-HotSwap-USB3

Port Multipliers: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/BridgeBoards

4 port Host Card inside Mac 5.1: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/LYCSATA3-4e
 
Curtis boggs said:
has anyone experienced problems with their Wi-Fi in their Matt trashcan ? seems like once it overheated last week it will occasionally drop Wi-Fi and refused to connect and will even reject passwords when I try and reset
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I avoid using WiFi at all costs if I can get a wired ethernet connection.
 
Is anyone familiar with using the BizonBox eGPU set up?

Adding an external GTX 1080ti through thunderbolt to take the load off of
the GPU's in the trashcan??

https://bizon-tech.com/us/bizonbox2s_design

They claim this the resolve my issues, in resolve. ( hehehe )

Cheers,

Curtis
 
Johnny Friday said:
Curtis,
if you are running the 5.1 mac, you can use e-sata for pretty fast storage. I'm not aware of anything faster...perhaps USB 3. I run on both a mac 5.1 and 6.1...i use thunderbolt storage as well as e-sata. On my 5.1 mac i use an esata 4 port connector (forgive my terminology---as it may be wrong)....anyway, i am running four 5 bay storage boxes with 4TB in each of them. They run on an indidvidul sata 3 port multiplier allowing me access to all 20 drives. I cannot tell you what speeds are, but they seem as fast as my thunderbolt solution.

Here is a link to what i have been using for many years on my 5.1 mac: Looks like they come with USB 3 now as a connection along with estata on each of them now...mine were only estata...but you can also buy theses USB 3 or estata connectors (multipliers) and install them as needed

Storage: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/Burly4-HotSwap-USB3

Port Multipliers: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/BridgeBoards

4 port Host Card inside Mac 5.1: https://www.macgurus.com/Item/LYCSATA3-4e
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Big big help, thank you very much!

Curtis
 
Was there someone in this group that had a corporate contact at Apple to try and resolve an issue??

I have a short and a feature to get out and am having trouble.

Cheers,

Curtis
 
Just to update my rotten Trashcan Mac experiences: my previous 6-core went totally bonkers in November 2017, and I came "this close" to jumping ship and buying a 20-core i9 Windows machine. Instead, I went the opposite route and got a brand-new 12-core Trashcan Mac, and it's been perfect and flawless in every way. Fast as hell. It's just a temporary stopgap until I decide whether to flush the Mac entirely in the summer or fall, or defect to Windows. In the meantime, I'm getting work done, life goes on, and the glitch problems have gone away (for now).

Still using the old crappy 6-core Trashcan for light-duty file management, backups, email, and all that, so the main machine can concentrate on doing nothing but billable work. I've completed 6 features on the new machine in the last 3 months, with 4 more scheduled in the next few weeks, and it's holding up well so far. Ran 5K Red files for 2 weeks and it was fine.
 
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