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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

List the 5 most important things you want from scarlet

1> Comfortable and easy to operate with one hand (either hand), with minimal intervention with the second hand, perhaps only for specific settings or menu functions.

2> Autofocus for run and gun. Full auto or full manual control options and auto/manual toggle for nearly everything. If lenses are provided by RED or if it's a fixed-lens system, there needs to be accurate lens markings and hard stops. The free-spinning focus rings on consumer / prosumer equipment drives me insane.

3> 2/3" or or s16mm sensor size with 2K or better resolution / 16:9 native

4> Two or three built-in ND filters.

5> Integrated IR filter that can be engaged / disengaged. Full IR shooting ability with false color mapping and color channel mapping based on user LUTs. Accessory IR lamp that can be camera-powered.

I'm going to assume that the camera will shoot REDCODE RAW just like the RED One and to CF and/or ExpressCard media. :)
 
1. Built in lens.
I see a lot of people asking for a mount, which is nice and all, but frankly I don't want to have to haul around lenses all the time. That, and I like the flexibility of a built in solution like the XDCAM EX. Its lens is sharp, reaches pretty far, and has terrific manual and automatic options. Being able to do manual focus, servo-manual focus, and automatic focus on the same piece of glass is terrific and I'm not sure that those kinds of options are available outside of integrated optics. Not to mention that I don't want to have to rent a zoom motor every time I want to a smooth zoom on cine glass. The only thing that I'd like from the lens is to have a maximum aperture of f1.4 with macro capabilities, a zoom ratio of x13 or so, and two or more built in ND filters.

2. Quality LCD and EVF.
This is pretty obvious. When I need to do stressful focus pulls I don't want to have to guess if I got it right. Again, just snag the LCD from the XDCAM EX and I'd be happy, so long as you included a good EVF too. The one on the EX sucks.

3. No larger than Super16 or 2/3" chip.
I don't really care if it's 480, 720, 1080, or 2K. Any of those options do the trick for me. The thing that I want to make sure of is that I have the flexibility to work in whatever style I want. I don't want to have a Super35 size chip because then focusing will become too gruelling for my tastes, and I don't want a 1/3" chip because then my DoF is way too long. Super16 size would allow me to do shoots without a big crew or a lot of supporting equipment, and it would look much better than my DVX100b. Oh, and no more rolling shutter issues please. I don't care if the chip is CMOS or CCD, I just don't want wobble, skew, or partial exposures.

4. Ergonomic design.
I have to be comfortable when I'm holding this camera. If it is too heavy or the handle is in the wrong position then I can't do the handheld work that I really enjoy. The Aaton cameras have been brought up here a fair bit, and I've always enjoyed operating those. As long as the camera feels like a cat sitting on my shoulder then I'll be happy.

5. Reliable and sturdy architecture.
I live in Canada and I need to be able to work in extreme situations. On top of mountains, the fronts of cars during snow storms, the middle of a field when it's -40 C with wind chill, etc. It needs to be able to function in extremely warm or cool climate. Plus, I'd want this to be a camera that I use for a decade or so and I want it to age like a fine film camera ought to.

I don't care what this camera costs, so long as it meets these five requirements I should be okay.
 
HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
1)SMALL,SMALL,SMALL-I'll sacrifice all HDSDI and etc.. to keep the size down. Just the essentials please. This camera should be for special applications only. Not to shoot an entire film on. HDMI? For framing and decent picture preview.
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Well for us who cannot afford to use bigger cams i want to disagree with you./... i want to be able to shoot a film with Scarlet... Since just getting out of high school, affording Red One or even the JVC HD100 is hard, so Scarlet falls in my "Amazing" Category
 
From a young documentaries director. I Work principally with HDV cameras.

  1. Built-in ND filters.
  2. Ability to create personalised presets about most practical settings. User-friendly to use, without advanced functionalities compromise (personnalisable gamma curves, formats, frame rates, etc.).
  3. Not too small, not too big! Confortable to hold (not too small), "pro look" for credibility, but relatively discrete too, to merge better a crowd for example. A very good compromise in size and ergonomy is the Sony HVR-Z1.
  4. Cheap ways to stock footage : be able to record on an home-made portable hard drive, laptop, etc.
  5. In the range of 4-8k $, with zoom lens included (detachable or not).
 
I think a key feature would definitely be a 35mm sized sensor everything else could be similar to an hvx200. The ability to have "shallow" DOF without the need of a 35mm adapter would have a huge impact...!
 
That's an easy ONE: The same performance as Sony's EX1 for half the price.
 
Auto Focus

Auto Focus

This camera needs to auto focus. In order for it to compete properly with mid-level HDV cameras, this is a necessity. If you don't want it, just shut it off.
 
well, in another thread, jim put a hard emphasis on the "pocket" factor, so i'm thinking the interchangeable lens mount is out...unless he means one pocket for the camera and a 2nd pocket for the lens:huh:

and the RED-heads keep insisting that these are not competing products, that this is something different than RED ONE, not merely a watered-down RED ONE on the cheap. i do think the missing link in RED ONE is run n gun mobility, so i am going to put auto-focus on my list of "yes, please."

so here is my list:

1. must inter-cut perfectly with my RED ONE in 2K or better
2. auto-focus
3. full manual control options
4. free of chromatic aberration issues (my biggest beef with canon's pocket line)
5. 20x zoom! - if this is a run n gunner cam, good for sports and wildlife, we need a longer lens than the existing HDV pocket cams out there...
 
Well If Scarlet is going to be a mini RED I would hope for a tighter for factor with better handheld ergonomics.

1. Built in 64GB SSD drive
2. 1:1 LCD w/ EVF
3. Sensor Clean Function
4. 2k/1080p native 16:9 w/ 72fps
5. Magnesium Alloy body w/rubber seals like 1DS

thanks
 
doesn't it seem like asking for 2k minimum is a little extravagant considering their trying to make this as affordable as possible(probobly 8k).

I think 2k would work, but any more may be too much $ for what their trying to accomplish(I'm not saying I know what their trying to accomplish, just a general idea based on them aiming this product at the ex1). But hey, its red, we'll never know the specifics to what their concocting in their labs. If they can make a 2k+ sensor in a body for less than 10k than all the better.
 
Morphing a DLSR and mini video camera...

Morphing a DLSR and mini video camera...

Assuming something the size of a SLR camera.....

1/ Removable Parallel Optical viewfinder that can be placed on top or sides.

2/ Ability to fit caged lenses

3/ Shock resistant to 20G

4/ Consider 7.2volt input supply so compact DV camcorder batteries can be used in addition to 12volt batteries.

5/ Data out put enabling remote recording.

6/ Remote start stop roll.

7/ Whitworth threads top bottom and sides,
or
A robust second skin, call it "REDskin" that is contoured to fit tightly over camera. It would have whitworth threads all over to enable easy mounting.


9/ If no lcd screen a memory display light or counter, must be readable in direct sunlight.

10/ To keep size down a Simple remote LCD terminal to programme shutter speeds and other camera functions ect. Could stay with camera for tripod work but removed for remote head work.

10/ Simple traffic light display for exposure guide, must be readable in direct sunlight.

11/ Close fitting Rubber REDskin (heat an issue!)

12/ Water resistant or custom neoprene cover.

13/Too late now.. but mirror reflex to setup remote head shot (then it locks up when recording) with optional continuos direct view using semi silved mirror for sports photographers wanting 60fps 4k.



Mike Brennan
 
planet e said:
well, in another thread, jim put a hard emphasis on the "pocket" factor, so i'm thinking the interchangeable lens mount is out...unless he means one pocket for the camera and a 2nd pocket for the lens:huh:
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I thought a member of the Red team was quoted as saying (in regard to Scarlet) that they didn't consider a fixed lens to be "professional". and that this was going to be a professional pocket camera.
 
I second Mark's list.. my check-writing finger is twiiiitching...
 
1. 2K upto 120 fps RAW with adobe support.
2. birger lens mount.. canon ef with adaptive focus select function.
3. hdmi out, component out.
4. self-stabilizing sensor (like sony alpha).. awesome for hand held.
5. s35mm size sensor minimum.

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6. mini or regular xlr for audio.
7. audio meter + channel knobs.
8. auto whitebalance + manual control.
9. writes on cf cards or even external harddrives.
10. size doesnt matter a lot to me... preferably, hvx/xha1
11. price: bellow us $ 10k and 4:4:4
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Zak Forsman said:
I thought a member of the Red team was quoted as saying (in regard to Scarlet) that they didn't consider a fixed lens to be "professional". and that this was going to be a professional pocket camera.
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that's exactly why i'm scratching my head, how do we resolve "pocket" with "professional"--it's a bit of a mysterious designation...i can't think of any existing small form-factor camera which would qualify as both, can you?
 
1) RAW shooting on CF

2) Mysterium sensor. Why develop things twice?? Why put a cheap small sensor inside and have people buy the cam + 35mm adapter in front?? Make it more expensive but with the Mysterium!!!

3) One lens mount. Choose one, make it reliable. Too much flexibility just complicates things too much.

4) Make it multi-cam friendly. Ability to sync to World Clock, and (let me dream) possibility to sync wireless with others Scarletts would be great...

5) Don't put a fixed IR filter. Have 4 filters built in. IR position (clear, basically no filter), Color position (regular IR filter), ND1 (ND+IR) and ND2 (ND darker + IR).
 
1- Not Too Expensive (Under 3K)
2- Not Too Expensive
3- N2k+ upto 120 fps or Highest Frame rate possible
4- HDMI out
5- Please no waiting list (Should be out before Xmas 2008)
 
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