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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Let's talk about Computer for Scarlet

Carter Cammack said:
So is there an improved, more "film-oriented" FCP in development that uses RED native files without transcoding?
I'd be very surprised if we've heard the last from Final Cut, but I'm wrong a lot. Any issues with Lion?

We have done some beautiful work with Vegas for church videos. I can build another hotrod PC if that would be better.
This would be my first MAC and only because I want to use Cheetah3d also. I've seen 3Dmaxx and it looks clumsy in comparison.
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In early 2012 they are supposed to release a plugin or an update to FCPX to allow it to drag and drop RED footage.

If you want immediate satisfaction then I'd say go with Vegas or Premier. Vegas is easier to use and better user interface, Premier is more robust with some nice features for film editors.
 
The rumor sites point to the fact that the Mac Pro is in short supply as an indicator that the entire line is at EOL. While that is certainly true of the current model i'd have to see more evidence to support the notion that the entire upper eschelon of the Macintosh line is about to be mothballed. Apple has simply reduced inventory to make room for the next top of the line Mac which is apparently imminent.

I too will need a new machine but I'll wait until the last minute, or the new Mac Pro appears, whichever comes first.
 
Get a gaming PC with a fast "extreme" i7 CPU that can be overclocked a bit + a nice cooling fan for the CPU + at least 24GB of fast ram + GTX 580 CUDA card + Adobe CS5.5. And you're all set!
 
Mike Garrick said:
@ Brian.

You raised a good point ref the raid drive, maybe with 4K rez i will actually start needing them afterall!!
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Not at all I'm editing RED 4K files on my Vegas with a single hard drive with no problems at all. The same goes for Premier.
Stay AWAY from RAID. You do not need its "performance" and you sure as hell don't need the headache WHEN they fail.
 
@ Brian

8 bit uncompressed 25fps timeline output to H264 Broadcast standard (Australian) never had a problem. Also use alot of redone footage same result but from memory i think 2K rez.
 
Arash Monjazeb said:
Not at all I'm editing RED 4K files on my Vegas with a single hard drive with no problems at all. The same goes for Premier.
Stay AWAY from RAID. You do not need its "performance" and you sure as hell don't need the headache WHEN they fail.
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Again, I disagree. What model hard drive are you using? Also, if have your RAID setup properly (with a parity disk), you wouldn't be getting a headache when a failure occurs.
 
lol you would be stupid to invest on over priced Mac since WIN 7 and Premiere runs RED RAW files real time smoothly with few years old PC.
 
Brian Iannone said:
10-bit uncompressed footage at 1080p30 has a bit rate of nearly 1 Gbps (125 MB/s). With the overhead of a regular single drive, it's highly unlikely that you'd get smooth playback. What resolution and frame rate are you working with?
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Don't know what to tell you Brian but I've been editing RED 4K footage off a single SATA drive and have no frame drops. SOLID 24fps even after color correction filters and some FX.
Sure my preview window is not playing at 4K rez, but who needs that to edit? You need the full rez when your color correcting/grading. Even then I don't need a RAID system to display 4K rez, I need a AJA or REDRocket video card to display to a 4K monitor.
 
Brian Iannone said:
Umm... While I agree with you, I don't think it would be a good idea to start a Mac vs. PC war here...
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It's just fact that PC works a lot better with RED files.
 
Arash Monjazeb said:
Don't know what to tell you Brian but I've been editing RED 4K footage off a single SATA drive and have no frame drops. SOLID 24fps even after color correction filters and some FX.
Sure my preview window is not playing at 4K rez, but who needs that to edit? You need the full rez when your color correcting/grading. Even then I don't need a RAID system to display 4K rez, I need a AJA or REDRocket video card to display to a 4K monitor.
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What REDCODE do you typically use? Also, are you staying in REDCODE during your entire edit process, or do you convert your footage to another format for working with?
 
Brian Iannone said:
Again, I disagree. What model hard drive are you using? Also, if have your RAID setup properly (with a parity disk), you wouldn't be getting a headache when a failure occurs.
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I'm using SATA II & III drives. 1 & 2 TB in sized. Western Digital and Hitachi. One year old CPUs or newer. 4-8 Gigs of RAM.

RAID 5 & 1 have one drive failure protection, RAID 6 has two. In any of these cases if you have a drive failure and the utility that's suppost to warn you of the failure does not do so then you'll end up runing the system unaware that your safety net has dropped...then months later you'll have a second drive go bad and you're done for.
Mid rang priced RAID solutions can't be counted on to warn you properly when a failure happens, as was the case with me. My G-Tech RAID set to RAID 1 had a drive go bad. No warning. Then the other drive went bad and I was screwed.
High-end RAID solutions like what you would find in large businesses YES, those you can count on. I was senior IT Engineer for one of the largest auto insurance companies in the country and I dealt with this technology on a daily basic. But you have to pay a boat load for such things. They will get you the performance and the safety you need at a huge price.

So when you can get the performance you need, 24fps 4K playback, on a single drive with some of the latest CPUs then do that cheaply and backup your drive every day.
 
Arash Monjazeb said:
I'm using SATA II & III drives. 1 & 2 TB in sized. Western Digital and Hitachi. One year old CPUs or newer. 4-8 Gigs of RAM.

RAID 5 & 1 have one drive failure protection, RAID 6 has two. In any of these cases if you have a drive failure and the utility that's suppost to warn you of the failure does not do so then you'll end up runing the system unaware that your safety net has dropped...then months later you'll have a second drive go bad and you're done for.
Mid rang priced RAID solutions can't be counted on to warn you properly when a failure happens, as was the case with me. My G-Tech RAID set to RAID 1 had a drive go bad. No warning. Then the other drive went bad and I was screwed.
High-end RAID solutions like what you would find in large businesses YES, those you can count on. I was senior IT Engineer for one of the largest auto insurance companies in the country and I dealt with this technology on a daily basic. But you have to pay a boat load for such things. They will get you the performance and the safety you need at a huge price.

So when you can get the performance you need, 24fps 4K playback, on a single drive with some of the latest CPUs then do that cheaply and backup your drive every day.
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The experience you described was an issue with your G-Tech RAID unit. I find it nonsensical to not use RAID just because you had a bad experience with a single RAID enclosure from a single manufacturer.

Again, what REDCODE do you typically use? Are you staying in REDCODE during your entire edit process, or do you convert your footage to another format for working with?
 
Brian Iannone said:
What REDCODE do you typically use? Also, are you staying in REDCODE during your entire edit process, or do you convert your footage to another format for working with?
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When I get to my editing PC I'll look up the REDCODE. I'm sure it was the lowest compression.
Yes I'm dropping the R3D file in my timeline and editing that. No transcoding or importing or injesting or digesting or regurgitating of any sort, PURE RAW R3D files. Editing in Vegas and its the same for Premier.

If you have a relatively new PC do the test for yourself. Download the trial version of Vegas 11 or Premier and drop your RED footage in there let me know how it works out for you.
Here is a link. Download the 64bit version if that's what your OS is.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/vegaspro
 
Brian Iannone said:
The experience you described was an issue with your G-Tech RAID unit. I find it nonsensical to not use RAID just because you had a bad experience with a single RAID enclosure from a single manufacturer.

Again, what REDCODE do you typically use? Are you staying in REDCODE during your entire edit process, or do you convert your footage to another format for working with?
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I'm speaking from 15 years of IT work, having installed and managed many multimillion dollar corporate data centers. Even a $50,000 RAID server from HP had HD failures, sometimes two or three disks in the same week. Luckly they crashed one day apart so I was able to replace the crashed drive before the next one failed. Even a million dollar IBM SAN solutions had HD failures. The difference it that with these products you get immediate and reliable notification that a drive has failed and in some cases you can get early warning that the health of a drive is degrading, and replace it before it crashes.
But these low budget RAID solutions that do not provide you with the necessary warnings are disasters waiting to happen.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Get a gaming PC with a fast "extreme" i7 CPU that can be overclocked a bit + a nice cooling fan for the CPU + at least 24GB of fast ram + GTX 580 CUDA card + Adobe CS5.5. And you're all set!
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Somebody's addicted to Ram previews in After Effects!

Totally agree with what Tom says.

I have successfully editing material at 4k in real time on machines with as little as 9gb of ram. I'd get 12-16 if you don't have the dough for 24.
 
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