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LENS TEST: Zeiss Super Speed (MK3) VS Zeiss ZF SLR's (Shot on RED)

The Third Man said:
If you buy set of new Leica M or R lenses they are all and ALWAYS color matched.

Leica was always taking care of it for years.
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Nice! I had no clue, glad to see that others have been doing this- as that does open up the options.
 
Nice review Ryan. I have tested the ZFs myself but not in a controled environment. They are sharp, but no sharper and not really any better color matched than equivalent Nikkors. As you have pointed out still lenses have plenty of resolution for Red 4K, it's the mechanics that really drive the price differences. The biggest drawback to the ZF line as it stands is the lack of a wide option. I would suggest the 17-35mm Nikkor as a good companion lens to a ZF set. As well as a future proof investment for when the Birger Nikon mount ships.
 
Evin Grant said:
Nice review Ryan. I have tested the ZFs myself but not in a controled environment. They are sharp, but no sharper and not really any better color matched than equivalent Nikkors. As you have pointed out still lenses have plenty of resolution for Red 4K, it's the mechanics that really drive the price differences. The biggest drawback to the ZF line as it stands is the lack of a wide option. I would suggest the 17-35mm Nikkor as a good companion lens to a ZF set. As well as a future proof investment for when the Birger Nikon mount ships.
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Thanks- glad you liked it. :) Also thanks for the suggestion on the wide lens. I've used it before on other projects in the past, but I've never combined it with the Zeiss. It is a great lens, so it will be good to see how it integrates with the rest of the package I have.
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I do not see where they mention that you can reverse the direction of the follow focus? From what others are saying, it sounds like you have to add an additional gear...
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The Viewfactor Follow Focus is electronic and the motor direction is reversible. I've asked Curt directly about that. It's also possible to configure the sensitivity to make a SLR lens be more "human usable". The Birger mount currently maps the focus range of a Canon lens to one revolution of the FF wheel. In the future it will be more configurable. Hopefully.

BTW - thanks for posting a great review.
 
Development of PST IMS will be also soon finished.

Also I'm going to ask PST to put Birger EF in a sort of adaptor shell that can be also used with IMS mount adapors.

Then comes an option like this one on RED:

PUT A LENS ON RED THAT WOULD COVER YOUR SHOOTING or BUDGET NEED(S)!

PL all types, PV Anamorphic lenses all types, HAWK Anamorphics, Nikkor-F, Nikkor-G, Canon EF, Zeiss ZF, Leica-M, Leica-R, Contax, M42...
 
joelnet said:
The Viewfactor Follow Focus is electronic and the motor direction is reversible. I've asked Curt directly about that. It's also possible to configure the sensitivity to make a SLR lens be more "human usable". The Birger mount currently maps the focus range of a Canon lens to one revolution of the FF wheel. In the future it will be more configurable. Hopefully.

BTW - thanks for posting a great review.
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WOW, that is impressive, thanks for the info, great to know. :) Sounds like the follow focus and the Birger mounts are very handy tools!
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
Do you have a link to the PST IMS, or is there not one yet since it is not out?
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All info is still under NDA.

But is coming up for sure in June as it advertised.
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
Do you have a link to the PST IMS, or is there not one yet since it is not out?
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Ryan, thank you for the tests...

Below is a link to P+S Technik with four more links that explain the system. FYI, Jarred Land has stated that IMS system voids your warranty-- one Owner has had his warranty voided. However, communication between P+S Technik and Red is ongoing in this matter. I am hopeful that all can be resolved so we can have the option for those that need it and that the owner whose warranty was voided can be restored.

http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-ims.php

I hope this helps Ryan.

Cheers,

Andrew

ps- there is a bonus link for an optical viewfinder that can be used with the IMS mount. I think this would be helpful knowledge for gdv, Nova Invicta and others who want this feature. Cheers.
 
PST IMS is a great lens mount system.

A unique lens-mount-efficiency in the same time.

RED Team should be aware of it very serious.
 
a handpicked set of Nikons will serve you well, as will these ZF lenses. The key to me is adding a cool tool like the View Factor into the mix. Now you start to explore the mechanical side and see if you can make it work closer to a cine lens. I'm looking forward to trying out the VF with my Nikons which already have cine style focus gears, aperture hard stops removed and 80mm fronts.
 
Andrew Benz said:
Ryan, thank you for the tests...

Below is a link to P+S Technik with four more links that explain the system. FYI, Jarred Land has stated that IMS system voids your warranty-- one Owner has had his warranty voided. However, communication between P+S Technik and Red is ongoing in this matter. I am hopeful that all can be resolved so we can have the option for those that need it and that the owner whose warranty was voided can be restored.

http://www.pstechnik.de/en/optics-ims.php

I hope this helps Ryan.

Cheers,

Andrew

ps- there is a bonus link for an optical viewfinder that can be used with the IMS mount. I think this would be helpful knowledge for gdv, Nova Invicta and others who want this feature. Cheers.
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Thanks, that is great. Looks like a great way to get all of the mounts you need in one unit! P&S has always impressed me with what they come up with, and their craftsmanship is great.
 
stevesherrick said:
aperture hard stops removed and 80mm fronts.
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Although I wouldn't do this, as I'd prefer to leave it to someone with more skill then myself- I have heard that you can remove the front of the lens and that the ball bearings that make the aperture stop will fall out easily. Then it is just a matter of reassembling the lens. Again, nothing I would attempt, but for the more mechanically inclined, it sounds like an easy enough "fix"....
 
I'm hoping that either the Birger system or even Redrock wireless focus system could solve the main cine mechanics problems of SLR glass.

1)reverse the direction(easy)

2)expand the focus scale from 30 degrees to 300 er something. (should be possible)
 
HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
I'm hoping that either the Birger system or even Redrock wireless focus system could solve the main cine mechanics problems of SLR glass.

1)reverse the direction(easy)

2)expand the focus scale from 30 degrees to 300 er something. (should be possible)
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Wireless focus systems like the Bartech have done both of these for years.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Wireless focus systems like the Bartech have done both of these for years.
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Yes, but not at SLR lens pricing.:red_bandana:

Still I think the Birger mount will really be the answer for low budget lens lust. One of my biggest issues with using the Red for stock is transport.
If I could travel with the Red One/Birger my D3 and three Nikon Zooms, the 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 all f2.8 I'd be very happy.
And these lenses are all optically up to the quality of the best cine lenses in the world.
 
Fully agreed, Evin. Actually, why not the Tokina 11-16mm as well? Have you read the last from Rockwell's findings?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tokina/11-16mm.htm

Better than the Nikkor 12-24mm -- and he's a nikonist... :huh: Really impressive. I'm wondering about the compatibility with the Birger's mounts. I second the motion.
 
Evin Grant said:
Yes, but not at SLR lens pricing.:red_bandana:

Still I think the Birger mount will really be the answer for low budget lens lust. One of my biggest issues with using the Red for stock is transport.
If I could travel with the Red One/Birger my D3 and three Nikon Zooms, the 14-24, 24-70 and 70-200 all f2.8 I'd be very happy.
And these lenses are all optically up to the quality of the best cine lenses in the world.
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Agreed, although I use the same range in Canon. I think in about 3 months people are going to see that the Birger mount is as revolutionary as the RED itself.
 
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