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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

KOMODO....

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i do not want to speculate, I want a release date. everywhere are pics and stuff...for what?
 
Dan Kanes said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Device_Interface
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NDI is a neat zero configuration IP video network protocol. It could certainly be used to WIFI stream video from a Hydrogen phone to iPads or other network video monitoring devices on set or for wireless multi-cam live streaming production of events. Panasonic robotic IP production cameras have it built in. Newtek makes IP production switchers.
Komodo might not directly support wireless video streaming, but with the phone attached it possibly could. The app is a free download. I have it on my iPad.

https://www.newtek.com/
 
I think the pogo pin interface is passing unencoded data streams. Hydrogen does the video encoding for display on its own.
Consider the possibility of a bridge mount tying two Komodos together to one Hydrogen for 3d/4v production and monitoring.
Offloading a significant processing workload to the miniature supercomputer that is a smart phone significantly reduces the cost of the camera itself.
 
David Rasberry said:
Offloading a significant processing workload to the miniature supercomputer that is a smart phone significantly reduces the cost of the camera itself.
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But then all Komodo monitors that use the top pins would need a lot of processing power.

David Rasberry said:
Consider the possibility of a bridge mount tying two Komodos together to one Hydrogen for 3d/4v production and monitoring.
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Would be very neat for 3D shooting.
 
It may not specifically be NDI, but could be a variant of video over ip- as Jarred said, expect to be physically “wired” to the phone, so the way the video is encoded/packetized/decoded could be a red proprietary standard, or it could be a more open video over ip protocol... we may or may not know sooner or later... indeterminate !
 
I designed an IP production studio for a college not too long ago to support a media journalism program. The studio itself was in an off campus facility several miles away, linked to the campus over a fiber optic backbone. The design was based around a Newtek Tricaster IP production switcher. The campus has full wi-fi coverage, so students could use their phones with the NDI app to do event coverage and live interviews. When a phone camera “goes live” it shows up as an input on the switcher with a preview window.
 
Dan Kanes said:
Wow, that sounds pretty powerful David - impressive ! Newtek has always been waaaay ahead of their time.
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NDI is brilliant! Newtek made it a free open source license that anyone can use. They have both free apps and some higher level ones for sale on their site as well as a developer's SDK. No need to mess with logging or assigning network addresses. NDI enabled switchers or monitors will automatically find any active NDI source on a common network when active. Apple store has IOS apps, Android apps on the Google store. Magewell makes a line of mini-NDI encoders for both HDMi and SDI cameras and decoders for the same, POE powered.
 
Komodo vs DSMC2: What we know so far:

The Komodo has already shot a feature (not 6 Underground, but Let Them All Talk).
6K resolution.
Super 35 sensor and beyond (Not a full-frame).
R3D files (REDCODE RAW codec).
Hydrogen phone can be attached and used as a screen.
Completely a new 6K sensor.
Lens Mount = Integrated Canon RF.
Recording Media = CFAST 2.0.
Camera control via integrated LCD.
There is no compatibility with DSMC2 monitors.
The Komodo can be wirelessly controlled from any smartphone.
No option for wireless video feed (even on Hydrogen)
Not a high frame rate camera (maximum 60 FPS).
Size: 4 x 4 inches
Weight: 2 pounds
Price: ~$4,500
komodo-6k-camera-a-badass-little-red


Full article: https://ymcinema.com/2019/10/07/komodo-6k-camera-a-badass-little-red/
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David Rasberry said:
NDI is brilliant! Newtek made it a free open source license that anyone can use. They have both free apps and some higher level ones for sale on their site as well as a developer's SDK. No need to mess with logging or assigning network addresses. NDI enabled switchers or monitors will automatically find any active NDI source on a common network when active. Apple store has IOS apps, Android apps on the Google store. Magewell makes a line of mini-NDI encoders for both HDMi and SDI cameras and decoders for the same, POE powered.
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I've used Bird Dog's for SDI to NDI for a studio we built for a large client. Their UI was pretty easy to work with.
With NDI there is some networking you'll have to learn but it's elementary. If we were to throw KOMODOs in there, I'd probably go with their Bird Dog's 4k tech. Their tally system works great.
 
Alex.E said:
I've used Bird Dog's for SDI to NDI for a studio we built for a large client. Their UI was pretty easy to work with.
With NDI there is some networking you'll have to learn but it's elementary. If we were to throw KOMODOs in there, I'd probably go with their Bird Dog's 4k tech. Their tally system works great.
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Thanks for the reference. Didn’t know about Bird Dog. Neat gear.
 
Patrick Tresch said:
What is RED Komodo Dragon?

There is a Dragon sensor in it so there could be an Epic or Weapon and some Komodo shots?
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I'm pretty sure it's a typo because at some point they must have considered calling it "Komodo Dragon" but then changed to just "Komodo" to differenciate with Dragon sensor.
 
Anyone else would like to discuss PDAF, now that we know Komodo will have it ? I admit I've always looked down at AF until recently I started playing around with Canon C-series cameras with DPAF and been quite impressed. It makes things much faster and easier for certain situations. I'm pretty excited by the thought of a RED with powerful autofocus.

Anyways, I'm curious about what makes a good PDAF implementation. Is it more about the sensor itself and the number of pixels used for phase detect for instance or it's more about integration of the technology into the camera software ? Anybody with some knowledge about this would care to chip in?

I assume RED will implement it by combining it with CDAF (contrast based) like Sony is doing. It took a long time for Sony's and Canon's tech to mature and get to where it is now. Is it reasonable to expect RED's PDAF could be as good as the two current leaders ? Or developing a strong AF solution takes significant resources and dedication and may require a lot of time to get it right ?
 
Hey Gabriel,

I trust that if Jarred allowed PDAF tech to appear on a RED Digital Cinema Camera, then it must be mature enough.
Since we do not know much about the intricacies involved at the moment, the best we can do is look at what may be considered "similar" camera systems for an explanation and possibly some technical details on these implementations.

Personally, I always trusted the PDAF on my 1D series of cameras, but as you can see from this article https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/09/15/canon-eos-r-qa-with-the-canon-engineers the favoured implementation for mirrorless is different.
Now, please note that the concept of AF is not entirely new for RED cameras. So I am confident that it had enough time to mature into a reliable solution.

Please, note I only use the term "similar" camera systems to relate to a mirrorless design with an RF mount as that may suggest a similar communication with RF type lenses.
 
Gregory Karydis said:
So I am confident that it had enough time to mature into a reliable solution.
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The biggest hurdle that I think about when it comes to a good motion picture AF is that it needs to be close to perfect in operation. If it's not, it's gonna cause more problems than solutions. Eye-tracking and face-tracking A.Is does wonders in the world of DSLRs and mirrorless cameras but there's much more R&D put into those systems than I think Red will put into AF technology on the Komodo. It's not really a priority for a motion picture camera. The reason it exists on DSLRs and mirrorless cameras is because of their use in still photography. Most tech that went into mirrorless still camera filming capabilities did so because it was first developed for still photography, but able to easily adapt to continuous filming with slight software tweaks. Red either needs to buy Canon's own AF software technology or put a lot of R&D time into the A.I of such a system.

I wouldn't be surprised if the AF system is pretty basic and not really viable for critical shooting. So I much rather they put time into making a truly great motion picture camera in a small body with 60fps 6K s35mm+ than focusing on tech that will probably not even be close to the capabilities of Canon and Sony AF systems.
 
Thanks Gregory and Christoffer for your input. On the subject of RED putting the time and resources to develop the tech and software implementation my first thoughts was that it would be too much to ask. But then I started thinking about the great software features available on RED cameras like exposure tools such as gyroscope, then HDRx, curves, and even redcode recording is a form of software development.

So they've shown dedication and attention to develop strong camera features and software implementation. Perhaps they're now called to put the same love and dedication to develop a very strong AF solution for us with face/eye tracking on par with Canon or Sony ? I've been blown away working with a C200 shooting raw and using their DPAF tech. But Canon lags in sensor development with DR, low light, noise.
 
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