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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Just got my hands on a Dragon

On set. The cleanliness is retarded. The gradation of highlights is mouth watering... Shooting at 250 ISO with no penalties anywhere it seems.

Had a grip walk into a 10k beam and not burn out. Not even close..... Camera was at 800iso @ T2.8 on an ultraprime during the camera build. Mind boggling.
 
Hey Jarred - how long is the wait if I haven't ordered the Dragon upgrade yet?
 
Timur Civan said:
On set. The cleanliness is retarded. The gradation of highlights is mouth watering... Shooting at 250 ISO with no penalties anywhere it seems.

Had a grip walk into a 10k beam and not burn out. Not even close..... Camera was at 800iso @ T2.8 on an ultraprime during the camera build. Mind boggling.
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Heh. You say retarded. I say sexy. Either way, can't wait to see what you shoot over there.


Tony Lorentzen said:
Hey Jarred - how long is the wait if I haven't ordered the Dragon upgrade yet?
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Not Jarred, but I have advice. I think it would be highly unlikely to get a precise number, especially if you're not in the upgrade queue yet. My suggestion is to place the order as soon as possible to get that ball rolling.

2014 is going to be full of new and upgraded Dragons. Red's been preparing for the storm of orders.
 
Phil Holland said:
2014 is going to be full of new and upgraded Dragons. Red's been preparing for the storm of orders.
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Would love to, but my financial situation changes all the time depending on production funding and other stuff I'm not directly involved in. I'm not currently able to put $9500 into this investment without knowing EXACTLY when I can start ROI'ing on it.
 
Tony Lorentzen said:
Would love to, but my financial situation changes all the time depending on production funding and other stuff I'm not directly involved in. I'm not currently able to put $9500 into this investment without knowing EXACTLY when I can start ROI'ing on it.
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In that particular case I would wait for the cameras to start rolling out a bit as the pre-order list is long. Red will certainly inform people once it's easier and quicker to acquire the upgrade or purchase new bodies. It might be useful at some point maybe in January or February to speak to your Bomb Squad Rep and get a real ETA as the upgrade and new cameras will be rolling out. They themselves will have a better knowledge of how quick things can happen.

I have no real knowledge, but if I had to guess January and February a lot of cameras will be moving through. Things will be in full swing and predictable by March/April. By June/July you'll likely see new Dragons in stock and ready to ship, maybe even before that. That's all theory.

One thing that is in the back of my mind at the moment though. Dragon is the best overall image quality that has ever come out of a Red digital cinema camera. I do think that this will effect sales considerably once they start shipping, productions start showcasing more work, and people actually knowing the camera is available. There will be high demand likely throughout 2014 and perhaps into 2015. For those who have a path to upgrade either to Epic Dragon or Scarlet Dragon it will at some point be a bit of a no-brainer if funds can be secured.
 
I just saw a carbon Dragon the other night at the band pro event... I played with the namorphic settings and noticed that the monitoring doesn't zoom into a 2:39 crop so the image is tiny and super stretched ... 6k seems great for anamorphic but this seems to be a limiting factor in monitoring it... Please Red give us the option to zoom in.
 
Lyle Vincent said:
I just saw a carbon Dragon the other night at the band pro event... I played with the namorphic settings and noticed that the monitoring doesn't zoom into a 2:39 crop so the image is tiny and super stretched ... 6k seems great for anamorphic but this seems to be a limiting factor in monitoring it... Please Red give us the option to zoom in.
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It's a two stage anamorphic setting now. You choose the format and the anamorphic setting you desire. You don't want to use 6K FF you want 6K 1.22/Ana to get the typical 2.37:1 anamorphic frame. Currently you can select 2X or 1.3X modes. The interesting thing is now on Epic anamorphic works with any format, so if you want to get crazy aspect ratios you can get crazy aspect ratios.
 
Phil Holland said:
I have no real knowledge, but if I had to guess January and February a lot of cameras will be moving through. Things will be in full swing and predictable by March/April. By June/July you'll likely see new Dragons in stock and ready to ship, maybe even before that. That's all theory.
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I'll add to this, that this timeline approximately mirrors the Scarlet rollout and saturation. Since then, Red has gotten MUCH better at manufacturing and keeping things in stock. However, it seems like the Dragon chip is much lower yield and they're still working out the kinks in the chain. These two things probably about cancel each other out, so the above timeline is anyone's best guess, I would think.
 
Phil Holland said:
It's a two stage anamorphic setting now. You choose the format and the anamorphic setting you desire. You don't want to use 6K FF you want 6K 1.22/Ana to get the typical 2.37:1 anamorphic frame. Currently you can select 2X or 1.3X modes. The interesting thing is now on Epic anamorphic works with any format, so if you want to get crazy aspect ratios you can get crazy aspect ratios.
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Wouldn't you want to use the full height of the sensor for best use of the anamorphic lenses?
 
Lyle Vincent said:
Wouldn't you want to use the full height of the sensor for best use of the anamorphic lenses?
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Typically yes. However, if you are trying to access more frame rate options by shooting at one of the windowed resolutions (5.5K, 5K, 4K, etc...) or perhaps doing something odd like a 3:1 aspect ratio you can.
 
Phil Holland said:
Typically yes. However, if you are trying to access more frame rate options by shooting at one of the windowed resolutions (5.5K, 5K, 4K, etc...) or perhaps doing something odd like a 3:1 aspect ratio you can.
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So for me personally I would mostly use the most height of the sensor and get closer to a true 4x3 anamorphic gate. So what I really need is a zoom or crop on the sensor sides or just on monitoring only so its not so tiny and you can frame appropriately... I really hope this is addressed in a future firmware.
 
Lyle Vincent said:
So for me personally I would mostly use the most height of the sensor and get closer to a true 4x3 anamorphic gate. So what I really need is a zoom or crop on the sensor sides or just on monitoring only so its not so tiny and you can frame appropriately... I really hope this is addressed in a future firmware.
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It's addressed now, or I should say working as you want. You just were using 6K FF with anamorphic 2X, you just need to switch formats to 6K 1.22:1 and you would have what you are looking for.
 
Phil Holland said:
It's addressed now, or I should say working as you want. You just were using 6K FF with anamorphic 2X, you just need to switch formats to 6K 1.22:1 and you would have what you are looking for.
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Ah I see Phil... I didn't quite understand that 1.22:1 was a useable ratio... I thought you were speaking to windowing the sensor... This is great and makes me excited to test the Dragon with some of my anamorphic lenses. Thanks sir.
 
Was Epic loved so much as Dragon is before it's release?

I'm seeing all sorts of people with a love for this monster. What is the same with Epic? I was around. I don't remember such fondness.
 
Boggle us with some footage!

Timur Civan said:
On set. The cleanliness is retarded. The gradation of highlights is mouth watering... Shooting at 250 ISO with no penalties anywhere it seems.

Had a grip walk into a 10k beam and not burn out. Not even close..... Camera was at 800iso @ T2.8 on an ultraprime during the camera build. Mind boggling.
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