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Jim's Update, 11/26/2010

Would Love to be WRONG

Would Love to be WRONG

If the Scarlet 2/3 is ever released,

My guess is that Jim will wait until the the "manufactures" he works can find a way to make HDRx work, and work well, on the Scarlet 2/3 Fixed.

He does not release cameras that are not revolutionary for the times...

Novelty is his thing, and the ever-advancing, "current" market defines what is novel, from what is just boring for him.

He's not trying to make a living, he's trying to make history. He'll do it or he'll scrap it...
 
Guys,

If there's one thing that's obvious about Red ... it's that Jim really gives a damn about his customers and is ALWAYS listening. His presence on this forum and continual posts show at least this much.

So I think it's fair to assume Jim has heard the cry of those who want/need a complete 3k+ system that comes in under $10,000 and there will be that option -- whether it's 2/3 or whatever it ends up being.

In terms of S35 being "affordable" ... I still think the Epic "light" will smoke the Sony F3 and come with a comparable (or less) price tag.

I'm not too worried about the price part -- just a little anxious because it seems anyone who's stage 3 or later won't have any options to buy anything until April or May. Ouch! And that's IF the projections hold true.

Anthony
 
Chris Davis said:
If the Scarlet 2/3 is ever released,


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Wow - to even say this suggests you really haven't been reading anything on this forum. Either that or you think Jim Jannard is completely delusional or an outright liar. Sorry, it just seems like such an "out of left field" comment.
 
Perhaps he is referring to the 2/3 part. Hard to imagine a lot of buzz around a 2/3 camera these days.

And to answer a previous question 'fixed' cameras have often been referred to as prosumer cameras, I have nothing against them as it's the operator who makes any piece of tech pro regardless of the tech.
 
Ash Worth said:
Perhaps he is referring to the 2/3 part. Hard to imagine a lot of buzz around a 2/3 camera these days.
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A 4/3" sensor size instead would actually be something more realistic marketed for nowadays.
 
Ash Worth said:
Perhaps he is referring to the 2/3 part. Hard to imagine a lot of buzz around a 2/3 camera these days.
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Yeah, because anyone can just go and buy a camera that does 120 fps raw for under $10,000.

And nobody ever shot anything good on 2/3" or 16mm, did they? I mean, it doesn't look like film unless you're shooting at least a s35 sized sensor, aperture fully open with super shallow DOF, right?

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Sorry for being so sarcastic, but this "2/3" isn't big enough" thing is just annoying.
 
Martin Weiss said:
2/3 may not sound sexy for those fallen in love with the DLSR shallow focus vimeo shorts.

But for Documentary, ENG, Industrial, Corporate, Event photography, this will be awesome.
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...and for experimental narrative work, too. :-)
 
Chris Davis said:
IfMy guess is that Jim will wait until the the "manufactures" he works can find a way to make HDRx™ work, and work well, on the Scarlet 2/3 Fixed.
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That's not how manufacturing works. Red's got to have a design that works before full-scale manufacturing begins -- that's why they build prototypes. Manufacture is the worst (i.e., most expensive) time to try to get something to work.
 
Nothing is better than 35mm format in other than cost. Reason why TV uses it.

I thought Red had announced a non expensive 35mm camera system before.
 
Well look at it this way. Red is at the end stages of a 3+ year hardware and software development cycle preceding production. They now have sensors, custom ASICs, circuit boards, hardware, etc. that will be shared among all the M-X generation models.
Now it is just a matter scaling processing power, software, and features across the whole line from Scarlet fixed to Epic-X at realistic cost/performance ratios for the different models. Obviously they are still working through that even as the fully loaded Epic-X goes into production.
 
Mr. Paul White said:
Nothing is better than 35mm format in other than cost. Reason why TV uses it.

I thought Red had announced a non expensive 35mm camera system before.
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There is far more TV production shot on 2/3" format than all available 35mm options combined. It is very likely to stay that way too.
 
Stephen Gentle said:
Sorry for being so sarcastic, but this "2/3" isn't big enough" thing is just annoying.
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Photosites on a 5K S35 sensor are a little over triple the size vs. on a 3K 2/3" sensor. I'm worried about noise and dynamic range far more DoF.

I will say, however, that if being able to control DoF (no, 'deep' or 'deeper' doesn't count) is a gimmick nobody needs, so is being able to choose shutter speed or focus manually. Maybe it's different if your background isn't in still photography, but for me it's an essential part of the toolkit I'm not happy about giving up.
 
Lee Saxon said:
Photosites on a 5K S35 sensor are a little over triple the size vs. on a 3K 2/3" sensor. I'm worried about noise and dynamic range far more DoF.

I will say, however, that if being able to control DoF (no, 'deep' or 'deeper' doesn't count) is a gimmick nobody needs, so is being able to choose shutter speed or focus manually. Maybe it's different if your background isn't in still photography, but for me it's an essential part of the toolkit I'm not wild about giving up.
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Lee -a major difference is that, in still photography, by definition, no one moves out of the focal plane during the shot. When actors are moving, the whole DOF things has to get looked at differently and it gets more complicated (as I am sure you know). I am not arguing that it isn't a valuable part of the "toolkit" but, IMO it is one of the tools that is currently obsessed over so much, at least by the indie film crowd, that shallow DoF is almost a fad. Yes, many people use it well, but to place it above all other "tools" in importance, is to diminish the importance of many other creative tools. As people have accurately pointed out here, there are a great many advantages in a smaller sensor for certain types of shooting. And many great pieces have been shot on 2/3" sensors despite their "limitations."

The S35 sensor photosites are 5.4 microns while the Scarlet 2/3" are 3.3 microns so, yes, about triple the surface area. Their technical attributes remain to be seen but Jim seems to be pretty happy with it so far.
 
David Rasberry said:
There is far more TV production shot on 2/3" format than all available 35mm options combined. It is very likely to stay that way too.
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Regardless of this the Scarlet was always marketed at the mass of DSLR type filmmakers and their budgets, all here loved to talk about it as the 'DSLR killer'. This mass of people aren't going to get excited about 2/3's not when every other company is pushing 35mm size including RED.

And a 'fixed' camera? A real buzz kill when there is more talk of lenses and mounts then there has ever been. Given all the choices out there in the next few months people are really going to choose a fixed 2/3 camera?

This concept will be reassessed.
 
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