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Is this a Bad time to purchase Red1

srinik said:
I would not be disappointed if I buy a used R1 M for around 12K and the next day Scarlet is announced / released. If its anything higher then I am not sure if I am getting the best deal, because I strongly feel that once Scarlet is released the price of used R1 will fall down. Its just because of the Scarlet and Epic its getting difficult to make choice.
Ughh, if only decisions were not so tough.
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A Scarlet is a 2/3 cam - not at all the same product category as a Red 1

One does not affect the other.

A scarlet FF 35 will be another matter, but I don't know if it will be 4K like the Red, and a firm release date for that Scarlet has yet to be announced.

A Red with MX, image-quality wise, will still be a top-flight cam, even after Epic is released. We will long since have paid off our MX in saved rentals, so who cares (in our math) if it's worth $10, it will still eb valuabel to us as a great tool and we still will have done a whole bunch of projects with it that will still be on our reel.
 
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axel ebermann said:
Buy a used Red One and make part of the contract that the current owner will
transfer his Stage 3 Epic upgrade to you.

After Epic is out Red Ones will drop into a bottomless pit when it comes to their value.
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No, not a bottomless pit. They will still do what they do now then. An Epic will be $30K, a Panny 4/3rds 8 K with lousy codec, no raw, etc. How much less than 11K can a RED be? That's still just over 1/3rd the price of an Epic, for a cam capable of similiar image-quality in many ways, or same image quality under certain circumstances. Plus, how many Epics will be available? There might be some waiting involved to get one. Even if there is no waiting, A Red at 11K, for what it does, and compared to other efforings is still a steal even 2 years from now. Besides, you can easily pay off 11K in a few months of saved rentals.
 
The future is uncertain, but one thing that is certain is that RED one with an MX sensor will still be in very high demand for about two years. Most rental houses will keep them and make extra profits renting them out as B cams. The Initial rental price difference between an Epic and Red One will be btwn 600 to 700. The sheer weight, size, performance, stability and ergonomics of an Epic will drive the price sky high. As long as TV companies adapt to it, its over. They have not fully embraced the Redone because of the workflows, Rumors, breakdowns etc etc that have plagued the camera. $35000 for a basic body is out of the range of most potential owners hence the anticipation of the Scarlet. But the folks at Red are really smart, they will release the Epic first for serious professionals, release the 2/3rd Scarlet next.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
A Scarlet is a 2/3 cam - not at all the same product category as a Red 1

One does not affect the other.

A scarlet FF 35 will be another matter, but I don't know if it will be 4K like the Red, and a firm release date for that Scarlet has yet to be announced.

A Red with MX, image-quality wise, will still be a top-flight cam, even after Epic is released. We will long since have paid off our MX in saved rentals, so who cares (in our math) if it's worth $10, it will still eb valuabel to us as a great tool and we still will have done a whole bunch of projects with it that will still be on our reel.
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Scarlet is MX enabled, so I definitely think they will effect each other.
 
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shashbugu said:
The future is uncertain, but one thing that is certain is that RED one with an MX sensor will still be in very high demand for about two years. Most rental houses will keep them and make extra profits renting them out as B cams. The Initial rental price difference between an Epic and Red One will be btwn 600 to 700. The sheer weight, size, performance, stability and ergonomics of an Epic will drive the price sky high. As long as TV companies adapt to it, its over. They have not fully embraced the Redone because of the workflows, Rumors, breakdowns etc etc that have plagued the camera. $35000 for a basic body is out of the range of most potential owners hence the anticipation of the Scarlet. But the folks at Red are really smart, they will release the Epic first for serious professionals, release the 2/3rd Scarlet next.
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An MX R1 costs 22K just for the body, so a guy who is ready to spend 30K for a functional R1 MX will not mind spending 35K for a functional Epic. Given the new and advanced features of Epic $6K difference is nothing, R1 will be wiped off.
 
If govts. worldwide continue to operate with ultra-high deficits, the only way out of the morass is to inflate in order to devalue their currencies and thus, pay off the deficits wtih worthless money. R-1s may be like gold bars... inflation proof.
 
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Used R1 sellers will not transfer the privilege of "trade-in", so Jim has to devise a new strategy for the new R1 buyers by providing some sort of trade-in arrangement or the prices of R1 have to be reduced.
 
srinik said:
Used R1 sellers will not transfer the privilege of "trade-in", so Jim has to devise a new strategy for the new R1 buyers by providing some sort of trade-in arrangement or the prices of R1 have to be reduced.
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I see the R-1 as an end-of-life product line. I don't see RED as actively selling them as rather providing them for buyers who can't or don't want to wait for an Epic or Scarlet, which could be a lengthy wait. But I think the R-1s that are already out there will continue to retain value... mainly because most of the owners simply will not sell them for what they consider a going price that is far below what the camera will produce.
 
Most the R1 owners have got many more times than they have invested and they will want to hold on to it (or its value) till the arrival of Scarlet or Epic but then there will be no buyers for R1. So yes then they will have no option but to hold on to their R1's for ever...
 
I guess R1's sent as trade-in would be resold as refurbished R1, which will be a total hit.
 
Prabhat said:
. So yes then they will have no option but to hold on to their R1's for ever...
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And yes, continue using them.... forever:yesnod:
 
srinik said:
An MX R1 costs 22K just for the body, so a guy who is ready to spend 30K for a functional R1 MX will not mind spending 35K for a functional Epic. Given the new and advanced features of Epic $6K difference is nothing, R1 will be wiped off.
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And the Epic Brain costs $28,000. Don't forget that.
 
Dustin Cross said:
Isn't a MX R1 $23,750 with the CF module? You have to buy the CF module.

$17,500 R1 Body
$5,750 MX upgrade
$500 CF module
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Unless you just use the RED Drive for your media. You can upgrade the firmware through the SD card slot.
 
Need advise. Bought 2 RED's last September and still don't have EVF's! BOMB EVF still not out. Anyone selling a good condition EVF?
 
srinik said:
Scarlet is MX enabled, so I definitely think they will effect each other.
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not really - a serious cinema DP is not so enthusiastic about shooting 2/3rds.

I'd much rather use a non-Mx Red than a Scarlet.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
not really - a serious cinema DP is not so enthusiastic about shooting 2/3rds.

I'd much rather use a non-Mx Red than a Scarlet.
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Just a note as to the facts:

FF35 Scarlet will be Monstro (36x24mm sensor), not MX. S35 Scarlet (30x15mm) will, however be MX and 5K, much like Epic. One can imagine the S35 will not be delivered so terribly far behind the Epic and 2/3 Scarlet, while Monstro may be a bit of a wait. IMO, Scarlet S35 might actually compete with RED ONE. But that's just my opinion.

EDIT: But let's not forget about F900 and F23, either. They are both 2/3" sensors.
 
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Why the Heck cant we get R1-MX directly and save money and time. I think its a ridiculous policy, or maybe not for the Red company.
And what do they do with M sensors reuse them in new R1's.
 
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