Is the RED One ever going to be upgraded to the Monstro chip?

[Sanjin Jukic]

The equivalent upgrade from RED ONE to EPIC would be the $28K S35. Sensor upgrade for RED ONE is less than that difference.

Jim

Hopefully the sensor upgrade pricing for R1 will be at RED online shop as soon as sensors are available.

 

[James Brundige]

I believe in Red. However, this change on strategy/approach should trigger the revisiting of another decisions, such as the fact that the $17.5K credit can be used exclusively for the Epic. Otherwise, we Red One owners will never feel at ease with all the great news we got from Red last week since we will feel somewhat used; to be more direct, will feel part of an experiment. I do not like to feel that way...

I am excited about the new modularity and the endless possibilities of the new cameras, but that is exactly what we were told we will get if we got on board and believe on the Red One. For example, I think the $17.5K credit should not be exclusively limited toward an Epic.

If I can use such credit, (and really be able to use ALL the accessories I bought from RED for the other cameras), to buy the modules I feel suit better my needs, which was what I thought we will have, I will feel a real partner on this journey rather that being part of an experiment.

Respectfully,

I have tried to submit this idea on another thread

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22290

It is done with the utmost trepidation, because I have seen many posts by those who get a great deal, and then just ask for more. I have a lot of respect for the way customers are being treated. However, for my particular needs, it would be great to apply the Red One Credit to one or more Scarlets and accessories. On the thread, it was pointed out that my only option is to sell the R1, collect the cash, and buy the Scarlet. With the lenses and all, I'm sure I'll want to spend upwards of $30,000. I wish there was another choice for some one who signed on in early 06, endured a long wait and some technical hurdles, and wants to stay a part of the movement. The epic, with all the needed modules and new lensing, may be out of my reach.

 

[Jannard]

I have tried to submit this idea on another thread

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22290

It is done with the utmost trepidation, because I have seen many posts by those who get a great deal, and then just ask for more. I have a lot of respect for the way customers are being treated. However, for my particular needs, it would be great to apply the Red One Credit to one or more Scarlets and accessories. On the thread, it was pointed out that my only option is to sell the R1, collect the cash, and buy the Scarlet. With the lenses and all, I'm sure I'll want to spend upwards of $30,000. I wish there was another choice for some one who signed on in early 06, endured a long wait and some technical hurdles, and wants to stay a part of the movement. The epic, with all the needed modules and new lensing, may be out of my reach.

What new modules? The same ones you would need for a Scarlet? And new lenses? Same as a RED ONE. You have the option to keep your RED ONE and pay nothing. I assume it is taking great images? Or you can spend some money to upgrade the sensor. Or a bit more to upgrade to S35 EPIC.

Lots of good options. Including the one we promised when you bought the camera. Trading in a R1 for full credit on a Scarlet is not going to work. Plus, I am afraid you will miss many features on a Scarlet if you are used to shooting a RED ONE.

Jim

 

[C.H.Haskell]

The thing that is throwing me off when I look at these figures is that I 1st thought about upgrading to a FF35 monstro down the road, exchange the R1 in for 17,500 credit, pay another 17,500 and now I am upgraded...wrong, all I have is a "Brain". How much is the REDmote, the body does not come with this? Sure I can use my existing LCD, EVF batteries etc (and thats great) but I still need an IO break out module and CF module if I want the same capabilities as my old R1 had...what else Jim?

I am trying to figure out (and we wont know until Jim does) what the RED1 upgrade to EPIC path is really going to cost to have at least the features my R1 had, did I mention the minimal items or am I missing something? RED riser also?

 

[Jason Ing]

The equivalent upgrade from RED ONE to EPIC would be the $28K S35. Sensor upgrade for RED ONE is less than that difference.

Jim

So, correct me if I'm wrong. The Mysterium X sensor only upgrade is 10.5k. The monstro sensor only upgrade is 17.5k.

Oh, I see. My bad. The small difference in cost savings isn't that the sensor was going to be reduced in price for a Red One owner (which I wrongly assumed), the small difference in price is from the cost of getting the remainder of "accessories" to be up and running since an Epic upgrade is brain only. Got it.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

So, correct me if I'm wrong. The Mysterium X sensor only upgrade is 10.5k. The monstro sensor only upgrade is 17.5k.

To guess the prices it's always a game.

Waiting for the official pricing from RED.

 

[Stephen Williams]

So, correct me if I'm wrong. The Mysterium X sensor only upgrade is 10.5k. The monstro sensor only upgrade is 17.5k.
.

Hi,

Looks reasonable to me, I can't see RED Ones values holding up very well on the second hand market. A new (future) RED One will have a new sensor & a 12 month warranty.

Stephen

 

[Jason Ing]

To guess the prices it's always a game.

Waiting for the official pricing from RED.

Well, "less then that difference" could mean Red One owner would have a slight discount in the sensor upgrade.

Okay, I give up. haha.

I'll wait for a real number from Jim.

 

[JanneJansson]

Hi,

Looks reasonable to me, I can't see RED Ones values holding up very well on the second hand market. A new (future) RED One will have a new sensor & a 12 month warranty.

Stephen

I have had a few days thinking of what is my best option. Get a Epic S35, upgrade my R1, get a Scarlet S35. But I think my best option is just to hold on my dear old gold coins for a while longer. I'll be back in a year or two when my R1 is ready for retirement.

Cheers

 

[Ian Laurie]

Jim, I feel sorry for you that everyone is expecting you to please them. Just thought you might need to here this again. Thank you. and to the red team and bomb squad. Thank you. How does that saying go... you can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. As hard as you have tried. and for the people that think i am rich or sucking up... I Plan on keeping my R1 as my only camera for the foreseeable future. I can't afford epic, scarlet doesn't do it for me, and if the speculation is right, i won't be getting an upgraded sensor for awhile. and yet magically my camera still works. ha go figure.

 

[James Brundige]

What new modules? The same ones you would need for a Scarlet? And new lenses? Same as a RED ONE. You have the option to keep your RED ONE and pay nothing. I assume it is taking great images? Or you can spend some money to upgrade the sensor. Or a bit more to upgrade to S35 EPIC.

Lots of good options. Including the one we promised when you bought the camera. Trading in a R1 for full credit on a Scarlet is not going to work. Plus, I am afraid you will miss many features on a Scarlet if you are used to shooting a RED ONE.

Jim

Thanks for listening. That's quite impressive by itself.

New modules = I/O, integrated battery pack, REDmote, new top mount - all the great goodies in your renders. I assume $10K to finish the camera.

Lenses = Don't you want to sell those new Red lenses?

Much to my surprise, the high end Scarlet is plenty of camera for my purposes, and will work better, I think, as a still brain. Sure, I would miss some features, but, as far as I'm concerned, the bottom line in replacing film is dynamic range - that's the limitation of my current (nature) footage. 13+ stops sounds like the grail. Therefore Monstro. So that leaves me the choice of a $12K (plus required add ons) Scarlet or a $35K (+++) Epic.

Since I never shoot over 30fps, or anamorphic etc., the extra $25K (less than the value of this trade in) is not a choice I would make. I'd love to have something left to spend on the new lenses.

I'll make it work somehow. I am just hoping not to take a $10,000 hit on the R1. And if I sell the R1, do I lose my place in line for a Scarlet? Don't want to be Red-less for too long!

Thanks again for the great work.

 

[James Brundige]

Jim, I feel sorry for you that everyone is expecting you to please them. Just thought you might need to here this again. Thank you. and to the red team and bomb squad. Thank you. How does that saying go... you can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. As hard as you have tried. and for the people that think i am rich or sucking up... I Plan on keeping my R1 as my only camera for the foreseeable future. I can't afford epic, scarlet doesn't do it for me, and if the speculation is right, i won't be getting an upgraded sensor for awhile. and yet magically my camera still works. ha go figure.

Not expecting special service - just imagining there are a few current customers in my position who would like to move to the new technology, but for whom epic is a stretch. We should not be penalized for investing early.
The R1 take great pictures, but it is heavy, slow, and very hard to hand hold. All of those things are getting fixed, and I hope to stay on the leading (not bleeding) edge.

 

[Rick Darge]

Yea, there is part of me that agrees with you James. If Red gave us the option, I would jump for a FF35 Scarlet over the Epic. I would rent Epic brains if I needed milder compression and more framerates. Scarlet sounds amazing for it is. But it sounds like Scarlet is planning on totally crippling the R1 in terms of value for dollar. The owners who decide to do nothing to their Red One will be left in the dust, IMHO. We're kinda being pushed for an upgrade. But, different needs for different deeds.

 

[Peter McCully]

It amazes me that no mater how much Jim has done or offered, there's always those for whom it's not enough. To quote Arnie "Stop whining!" The trade-in upgrade offer is incredible as is. Of course Red has the right to decide what they offer and what they don't - not us the customers.

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

today i was asked if this jim red guy is crazy for giving people the
17500 USD credit.

they are in the car business....they told me they would get killed if they would present such an idea to their bosses.

i am glad jim loves cams more then cars...but didnt he have this batmobile type of thing?

 

[Jim Exton]

It amazes me that no mater how much Jim has done or offered, there's always those for whom it's not enough. To quote Arnie "Stop whining!" The trade-in upgrade offer is incredible as is. Of course Red has the right to decide what they offer and what they don't - not us the customers.

The trade in upgrade offer is not incredible for people who can't afford it. Only for those of us who can.

I don't really care one way or another, but I can at least see where some Red One owners think they got stuck with a camera that is going to be 2nd rate when the Scarlet S35mm comes out.

Edit: I saw somewhere else where the new Red One Monstro might possibly be in the ballpark of $10,000. If that is the case, then Red One owners won't be losing anything because they can buy a Scarlett S35mm Monstro for around that, keep the r1 accessories that will work on the Scarlett (which is most of them) and not be out any money, nor be screwed in anyway. Especially with the r1 discount on Scarlet system.

 

[Peter McCully]

I don't really care one way or another, but I can at least see where some Red One owners think they got stuck with a camera that is going to be 2nd rate when the Scarlet S35mm comes out.

I don't think staying with R1 and the upgrades for it can be called "stuck" or "second rate". It's features will still be very comprehensive. And in future the upgrade path is there whatever options you take.

 

[david farland]

Yep....this thread has a few whingers wanting to extract every ounce they feel is their birthright for purchasing a Redone.

Stop treating Jim like a bitch with 5000 nipples.
He said if you bought a Red he'd look after you....help you with upgrades...not give you social security payments for life!

The very fact you 'feel' he should provide you with meal tickets probably means you're still thinking and posting like a child!

Stop! Think for 1 min what YOU would do in this business transaction..
Think if you sold your Red (or something you made)....how you would provide continued support your customer!!....Then please, with all repect...Shut the F$$K up!!

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[Luis Otero]

David,

We can have difference of opinions: that is the purpose of an open forum like this one. But that does not give you the right to talk to others the way you just did. It really crossed the line from "preaching" or strongly voice your opinion, and got into be insulting. After all, we are all adults...

 

[david farland]

You're correct Luis...it is a bit rough!

And yes we are all adults but after a constant scream of...can I?... can I?...the point I'm trying to get across is...as an adult, swap positions & think!

Think what you would do!
D