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Is it possible to shoot Dragon at 2K HD?

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charles lim yi yong

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I am prepping for an upcoming landscape shoot and wondering if I can shoot at 2KHD and display it the images at that resolution?
I will conducting a couple of test to see if I am able to achieve this. I am curious to see if any people can do the same and show me their results.
 
Yes it shoots 2k but heavily cropped... Not good for landscape. Can't you just shoot 6k and scale to 2k? Or do you need the 300fps? Or am I missing something?
 
on Flickr 2KHD compressed 2:1 lens : 100mm minis4 cooke aperture : T11 distance focused : 1.5meters
 
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This is of course possible, but it's like running 8mm film through a 35mm camera.

Battistella
 
This makes no sense unless you're wanting to go for the framerate only. Like taking a Porsche 918 Spyder and slapping a governor on to limit it to 25mph.
 
Actually I'll jump in because I know several people using lower resolutions for access to higher speed recording. Personally for a 2K finish I would favor 2.5K or 3K recording, but if you are "maxing it out" you can certainly shoot at 2K. Is it the best way to get the highest quality material out of your Dragon? no. Shooting 6K is.

More or less people need to get comfortable with Dragon, much like Mysterium-X, being a multi-format tool. Similar to film actually if you think about it :) Especially since that Dragon has some very important film relevant format sizes.

I wouldn't say you should never explore 2K resolutions. They are useful for a variety of things.

For me, I don't work sub-4K these days. That's a personal and professional choice however.
 
Agree Phil,

joking aside.

Excellent super 16 glass and 2.5k or 3k recording at low compression rates, like 3:1 could get you some fine results. On dragon you get the benefit of the color fidelity and you have a wide gamut of frame rates to work with. It's not ideal, but since the early days of Red One I have always wanted to make at least one 2k film on super16 glass just to push it and see what the results would be like. With dragon sensor this seems more feasible than ever, even though it's not really designed for this.

A lightweight run and gun rig with super16 glass has always intrigued me though.

Battistella
 
David Battistella said:
A lightweight run and gun rig with super16 glass has always intrigued me though.
Battistella
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If you are intrigued to use a light weight setup with S16 glasses, maybe you should consider a black magic pocket cam then. ;)
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charles lim yi yong said:
I am prepping for an upcoming landscape shoot and wondering if I can shoot at 2KHD and display it the images at that resolution?
I will conducting a couple of test to see if I am able to achieve this. I am curious to see if any people can do the same and show me their results.
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Just a quick reply Charles.

The problem with shooting in 2k is that your image will not be sharp. It will not have very good detail in it. What you want to do is shoot in higher resolution and then you downsample in post production to a 2k finish. I would at least use 4k but if you need slow motion 3k would work quite good tooThis will create a much sharper image in the end with better detail and less noise.

Good luck with your shot!
/Andreas
 
David, I actually shot a short doc about a record collector and decided to shoot with 16mm super speeds at 2k and 3k (cropped to about 2.5k to avoid vignette) on MX. I really loved the results. Using lenses designed for that image circle made a huge difference with sharpness issues at. 2k. It was pretty noisy, but I liked the grain structure and embraced it, mostly shot around 400 ISO to crush it down a little. Shooting 3k with 16mm lenses on dragon has been a big interest of mine and is one of the first things I'll do, when I do my upgrade.

You should definitely test it out. I think you'll be very pleased by the results.


David Battistella said:
Agree Phil,

joking aside.

Excellent super 16 glass and 2.5k or 3k recording at low compression rates, like 3:1 could get you some fine results. On dragon you get the benefit of the color fidelity and you have a wide gamut of frame rates to work with. It's not ideal, but since the early days of Red One I have always wanted to make at least one 2k film on super16 glass just to push it and see what the results would be like. With dragon sensor this seems more feasible than ever, even though it's not really designed for this.

A lightweight run and gun rig with super16 glass has always intrigued me though.

Battistella
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Kyle Stryker said:
David, I actually shot a short doc about a record collector and decided to shoot with 16mm super speeds at 2k and 3k (cropped to about 2.5k to avoid vignette) on MX. I really loved the results. Using lenses designed for that image circle made a huge difference with sharpness issues at. 2k. It was pretty noisy, but I liked the grain structure and embraced it, mostly shot around 400 ISO to crush it down a little. Shooting 3k with 16mm lenses on dragon has been a big interest of mine and is one of the first things I'll do, when I do my upgrade.

You should definitely test it out. I think you'll be very pleased by the results.
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Very cool.

I'd love to see some frames.

Battistella
 
It's definitely possible if you have enough light and a lens that can resolve it.


Shot on a Zeiss 50mm 1.4 @2k HD
 
I shot mostly at 6 or 5K and never under 4K.
Even when exposing to the right, 2K is noisy and doesn't cut that well with bigger resolution but I wish it looks better as having 240 or 300fps in our camera is a bonus and I could use these frame rates more.
 
vincent kardasik said:
I shot mostly at 6 or 5K and never under 4K.
Even when exposing to the right, 2K is noisy and doesn't cut that well with bigger resolution but I wish it looks better as having 240 or 300fps in our camera is a bonus and I could use these frame rates more.
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The noise is a huge issue when shooting 2k but if you watch the link I posted you can get noise free, sharp results, you just need a lot of light.

In the vimeo clip above I didn't use any noise reduction and only slight sharpening in RCX. I shot at f4.0 with a 1/240 shutter speed and developed at 160 iso, anything less and it would be grainy and blurry. Start watching around 52 seconds, I think it's acceptable and could cut with 5k footage, although it might be hard to tell on Vimeo. If you can rent the lights or shoot in broad daylight its definitely workable.
 
Kyle Stryker said:
David, I actually shot a short doc about a record collector and decided to shoot with 16mm super speeds at 2k and 3k (cropped to about 2.5k to avoid vignette) on MX. I really loved the results. Using lenses designed for that image circle made a huge difference with sharpness issues at. 2k. It was pretty noisy, but I liked the grain structure and embraced it, mostly shot around 400 ISO to crush it down a little. Shooting 3k with 16mm lenses on dragon has been a big interest of mine and is one of the first things I'll do, when I do my upgrade.

You should definitely test it out. I think you'll be very pleased by the results.
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David Battistella said:
Very cool.

I'd love to see some frames.

Battistella
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+1

B.
 
I came across these Scarlet Dragon slow-mo tests on YouTube:


It shows the quality loss at lower resolutions and made me appreciate Epic's ability to do HFR at 6K. I was hoping it was just an error in testing.
 
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