Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Is anyone scared that RED might "over saturate" the market?

A

Andrew Porter

Member
Joined
Nov 27, 2011
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
Points
0
I remember when the 5d w/ 24p first became available, it was at the time, a God send to many filmmakers and something unique no-one had ever seen before. But today? A lot of camera nerds seem to gag at the sight of 5D and other DSLR footage from a mile away... it has over saturated the market in so many ways that I think just about everyone is looking for something else; something "unique" again. Just wondering if anyone fears the possibility of the "RED look" being abused and the Scarlet as the go-to camera for everything under the sun, infomercials, reality shows, corporate videos, every music video ever... I might be the only one, but I feel that the "magic" that is RED shines through on the big screen, in features / some shows etc. I'll probably get flamed for writing all of this, I'm just uneasy, that by the time I have saved up for my Scarlet (at about 9k right now, about 5 or so months to go:) that in some way RED won't be as special as it is now.

I know obviously that story and content is above all else, but I've always had a desire to get my first actual feature out on a unique format like RED, something just makes people still ask, "wow, what did you shoot this on?"
 
I wouldn't be concerned. Yeah there's allot of hype and what not but there's a little more than meets the eye to being a Red owner. Once people find out they may be turned off by the whole idea. Main reason some professionals will never shoot on a Red.

Right now lets worry about Red meeting their promises and ship dates. It's a great image, I doubt it'll get old. Once Dragon becomes available it'll be even better. Scarlet may make or break Red, time will tell.
 
Julio Quintana said:
The easiest way to prevent over-saturation is for Red to double the price. Would that work for you?
Click to expand...

Probably not. It's just an irrational fear. No doubt though, that there will be such an influx of work done on the Scarlet this next year that I think pretty much everyone is going to become very, very familiar with red.
 
Andrew Porter said:
... I've always had a desire to get my first actual feature out on a unique format like RED, something just makes people still ask, "wow, what did you shoot this on?"
Click to expand...

The thing that is most likely to have them asking this questions is if it looks bad. Like: "Wow, what (piece of crap) did you shoot this on?" I think the real goal is to have the production values be high enough that they simply disappear. RED, in the hands of a talented production and post production team, can do that! You're safe. :smiley:
 
The Scarlet "look" will never be oversaturated because there is no "look", or at least that look is ever changing. That's what's awesome about shooting RAW because you can make it look however you want. With the 5D you're very limited on what you can do with the images so the majority of 5D footage had the same "look". With Scarlet or anything RED for that matter, it's basically a very clean "film look".
 
Not at all. I'm one of those that's going for the high end Epic. I'm more than happy to know that there are many Scarlets and Epics out there. It means increased support from 3rd parties, increased recognition on the market. It also means many more filmmakers, with lower budgets will be able to make the stories with the image quality they dreamed to. I can only applaud this, as a filmmaker and as someone that a couple of weeks ago could only afford a Scarlet. The more this industry becomes evaluated by talent and creativity and less by equipment limitations, the better. Well done Red!
 
Jerrod and Bob you guys are both so right.

The good thing is that filmmaking is a hard craft weeding all out the wimps. Music & Photography industry, well that's a different story.
 
I should say that I have seen 5D footage that looks like a video camera with a big sensor, I've seen 5D footage that looks like mid-range prosumer camera, and I've seen 5D footage that looks like professional cinema. The "look" of the footage from the camera is determined mostly by the people shooting with it. I've noticed my own progression of skill from the very first thing I ever shot on the GH1 to what I'm shooting now. I'm not saying I'm a pro yet or anything, but just saying that what I get out of my camera is a reflection of my ability to use it. I remember the first shot I got that looked really professional and said to myself "holy crap! This looks like a REAL movie and not a DSLR!" It was an exciting time. I can't wait to do the same with RED :)
 
If you're buying it just to rent it...yeah, be concerned.

But if you're buying it to use it for paying work, why would it matter?
 
ah, no worries here. if you don't have the ability to think creatively, adapt to whatever environment you find yourself in, or some other magical power... then it's okay to start worrying.
 
When every camera company has 4K RAW recording SUB-$10K cameras on the market,
MAYBE we'll get near saturation, looks like not anytime soon...

Anyway, giving people more creative options is a great thing.

Newer electric guitars over the last 40 years didn't make guitar players more creative than Jimmy Hendricks by a far stretch...
 
There's different niche markets all over. A 15k cine scarlet has a niche market. The 5D package is about 2000 dollars now, a 15k camera is a totally different camera. Its a digital cinema camera the 5d aint.

Over saturation doesn't mean a thing (unless you're a colorist :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top