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iPhone 4 is the new 5D Mark II

michael zaletel

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That's why I shoot RED!

The web makes any camera look good. Once we all have 60" 4K monitors and can stream Red Ray format over the Internet, then we can compare camera footage over the Internet, until then, don't believe what you see on YouTube.

-michael zaletel

P.S. Yeah, I know I'll get flack for this post. I just don't care. Someone needed to say this. :)
 
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Optometrist visit in order

You need your eyes checked Michael:devil:
Just kidding:thumbsup:
 
Not sure I understand. It's kind of a given that a RED camera is in a completely different class. Is someone saying an iPhone is a RED killer?

In other words: this again? :banghead:
 
OptiTek said:
http://vimeo.com/12961268
OK watch these two side by side full screen. No difference?-I don't think so...:001_tt2:
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Yep, camera and editing tool in your pocket. There is constant conversation about resolution. No disputes there, just sayin that I think the general public is resolution agnostic. If its viewable and watchable for the given medium and if the new widget allows you to do something cool and different, why not explore?
 
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5D2 vs iPhone 4? Bring on the zone plates! :laugh:
 
Thanks Ketch, it is a great tool for it's intended use. This forum is very resolution centric. If an acquisition tool doesn't have the right pixel count, it immediately gets tossed against the wall. I was just commenting that simple shooting, editing and distribute on a phone is actually ground breaking, IMO.
 
I might actually get an iPhone 4, since it's a really cheap and efficient camera solution for filmmakers with $0 budgets. It's also handy in that you can edit and upload from the same device from anywhere really.
 
My point is if you don't care about resolution, raw capture or faithful color reproduction and if you don't mind your source and final product looking just as compressed as it does on YouTube, why stop at the 5D Mark II. This is not just about resolution, it's also about raw latitude, color accuracy and future repurposing.

I've just heard too many people too many times say (when looking at footage compressed on the web) that the 5D2 looks "good enough" and now people are going to start saying that about the iPhone 4. I just find that ironic and hope it leads true professionals back up the curve to quality RAW 4k acquisition.

-michael zaletel
 
I love the iPhone 3GS for recording the exploits of my children. I always have it handy, and synch it every night. It's pretty mindless to operate, so I can still enjoy the moment and hacking it up in iMovie is pretty simple. However, I'm still considering a 5D for the home videos instead of iPhone 4. Does anyone care to make a recommendation?

Oops! I didn't realize this was posted in the Cinematography section. Sorry.
 
Scott Crawley said:
I love the iPhone 3GS for recording the exploits of my children. I always have it handy, and synch it every night. It's pretty mindless to operate, so I can still enjoy the moment and hacking it up in iMovie is pretty simple. However, I'm still considering a 5D for the home videos instead of iPhone 4. Does anyone care to make a recommendation?

Oops! I didn't realize this was posted in the Cinematography section. Sorry.
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Well, since its here... focus is an issue on the 5D. I'd particularly stay away from that camera for stuff that is supposed to be quick and easy.

I'd try an iPhone 4. I know you have a 3GS already, but the iPhone 4 has all the advantages you just named, but it shoots HD video.

If you really want to go the DSLR route, then I recommend either the 7D or the GH1 over the 5D. Focus is less of an issue. I recently read some things that make me particularly excited about the GH1, but I have a 7D.

What I really love about all these cameras is that they are always THERE. If I see something when I am out and about just living my non-cinema life, I can shoot it.

I always have my iPhone (still a 3GS), and I often carry around my 7D with the crummy 18-135 kit lens. Its awesome to have that sort of thing with you all the time.

Can't say that about the RED. Won't be able to say it about Scarlet either. There is just a huge difference between wandering around town with a $600 phone/camera/computer/music box, a $1999 camera and a $45000 camera.

That's wonderful. Seriously wonderful. I like the 21st century so far.
 
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That is a fantastic effort. The rolling shutter though, quite terrible. But certainly, it is "good enough" for Youtube/Vimeo SD. As is the Flip, and dozens of other devices from years ago. Of course, because it is an iPhone it is going to command attention.
 
It's exactly the same thing that happened to music. What are people going to listen to; an LP on a high end speaker system, or a highly compressed MP3 on their ipod with earbuds? Are we going to shoot on 16mm or an iphone 4? I mean the answer to that is obvious depending on who we're asking...

It's the age of convenience and efficiency; "good enough" is only relative to how convenient something is.

IMHO that footage looked INCREDIBLE for what it is. It's funny how 5 years ago on DVXUser people were joking about how in the future people would be shooting decent films on their phones...

Some creative mind is going to shoot a good story on an iphone 4. The probability is too great given how many are out there already.
 
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