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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Interesting news from Blackmagic...

I think we need a PL version. But that of course would cannibalize the UMP2 camera being cheaper and higher resolution
 
https://www.adorama.com/bmccp6kef.h...8Q_d-J1-oBX3RC-9-yZrg&utm_source=rflaid913830

I think this is where the money is at. You can only sell so and so many super expansive rental house cameras. But these, they will sell like hotcakes. Everyone and their grandmother will get these.

But yes. Sad that they dont do swappable mounts. As I see it they should just drop the ursa and make a few different form factor versions of this instead. Kind of like DSMC2 and ranger. Swapable mounts, and addons for different monetorings and sound in.
 
PL lenses are not expensive anymore. Also vintage lenses are wildly popular and don't usually come in EF mounts. Grant is missing a point. Put simply- PL IS the cine lens standard. BM is making cine cameras and so they claim. Why don't they use cine standards for lens mount? BM seems to be always behind in this regard.....hmmmm
 
Jacek Zakowicz said:
PL lenses are not expensive anymore. Also vintage lenses are wildly popular and don't usually come in EF mounts. Grant is missing a point. Put simply- PL IS the cine lens standard. BM is making cine cameras and so they claim. Why don't they use cine standards for lens mount? BM seems to be always behind in this regard.....hmmmm
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Agree. This 6k camera cost less than most PL rangefinder. I think alot of big name DPs that rent bigger cameras for thier projects would find it super appealing to get one of these to have as their recce cam, b cam etc. if it was PL mount on there. That would be a big extra marketing benefit.
 
Absolutely- but at the same time it would cannibalize ump2 entirely. Decisions, decisions ;-)
 
Timothy Jones said:
Woah, did this steal Komodo's thunder?
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I still love the Red sensors and the Red color science so I'm still hedging my bets on kamodo... But considering you have to have purchased a hydrogen to get it below $5K, I'd be hard pressed to say that Kamodo has priced itself out of the market for those that can only afford the BMPCC6K price range.
 
It's pretty fascinating to watch what Blackmagic is now doing to the camera makers, after what they had already managed to do to editing, color grading, sound, VFX and of coarse, the first victim- AJA.
High end cameras from ARRI, Red, Sony are not going anywhere... for now. For now, it's the low end cameras, mass produced cameras that are under assault.
And for now, the recipe is simple- make 'em cheap, make 'em good enough and pile 'em sky high...
But make no mistake, BM always starts out slow, but like terminator, BM just keeps coming back with better tech. It takes time, but eventually they will come to the top too...
 
Fabricio Morato said:
I think we need to wait and see what Komodo is, so we can answer that. At this point we just know what it's not.
But BM has aggressively priced this camera.
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The BM sensors are not bad, BMraw is not bad, recording to any ssd stick is not bad, a license for resolve studio is not bad... Then also the screen is not to shabby and even if the built in battery does not last long, its there built in and 6k resolution and a formfactor ready to use out of the box...

There is simply a lot if boxes that Jarreds new little lizzard need to tick and even if would do that which I actually doubt, 2,5k usd for all of the above is an insanly good price. BM is really changing the market with this thing. Or thats atleast how I see it. Sure sensor is a bit small but still, my guess its bigger and more dense and got more Ks than the Komodo will have.

Its priced like a minimag... That says something.


Edit: I guess I have to take some of that back. lol.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...=583b381696ed8874b139ef67d304a79b&oe=5DE55246
 
Agree. Komodo needs to tick a lot of boxes to be worth the allegedly double of this Pocket 6K. And Resolve Studio is a nice bonus for sure. More pressure on Red I guess.
BTW I'll be shopping for an entry camera soon and this new Pocket has my attention. Will wait for full info on Komodo to make the decision. Hope Red will make it worth it.

Edit: Just saw that Komodo is also 6K. Interesting...
 
Well, that was beautifully timed by Jarred... Waiting for BM to drop the news so they could then just update the crowds patiently waiting for Kamodo information. Variable ND built into R mount and a 6K sensor that can use CFast? Pretty awesome.
 
Just wonder why Black magic didn't go with the RF mount. Seems like the future for sure . Was just reading today that canon says they are developing some "crazy" lenses for the RF mount and rumors have it that it's going to be a 50-80 F. 1.1 zoom.
 
jake blackstone said:
the first victim- AJA.
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I think AJA did that to themselves.

They made a single camera that was crap and therefore, was still-born. Maybe if the camera made nice pictures they could justify the price which was already pretty high. They delivered a half baked camera and realised that it's one thing to make an editing card that meets a spec (like capturing HDSDI) and it's entirely other thing to make a camera that is then judged on subjective words like "creamy" or "cinematic" or "Mojo". Something BMD have had to go through.

AJA gave up pretty quickly without making much of a serious effort.

And it also says something about what customers want, because I sure remember a lot of people very excited about the ergonomics and saying that AJA would clean up and show everyone how it's done.

A particular Australian expression comes to mind...."yeah...nah."

jake blackstone said:
High end cameras from ARRI, Red, Sony are not going anywhere... for now. For now, it's the low end cameras, mass produced cameras that are under assault.
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I don't think BMD are interested in that market at all. (the very high end) They don't care for the cache of big hollywood films. I'm not the target demographic for their cameras and I don't think many of the users here are either.

Look at their demo footage page. That tells you everything you need to know about where they see people buying these cameras. It's not us. Well I'm sure they're happy to take our money, but we're not the target market.

JB
 
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