IMS Installed Finally!!!

[PaulClements]

I was always a little disappointed something like the IMS wasn't developed by Red in the first place. I can recall imagining such functionality when Red talked about using other lenses than just the PL mount.

I certainly hope Red give this their approval, even if it means the warranty for just the mount section of the camera is void.

Paul

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I think P+S really needs to get the production IMS mount to Jarred or Stuart ASAP. This is a very elegant mount and I believe it will be a great solution once it has Red's blessing.

Thanks Evin for a nice words about IMS mount.

I think RED team already have got IMS to try out.

BTW., I'm enjoying it even do not have all mount adapters that missing like a Panavision PV and BNC-R.

The issue with existing IMS base mount is that doesn't support i/cable because IMS PL mount is a separate peace of thing that screws/swaps on IMS base mount.

Following the fact that to make i/cable connection between IMS base and IMS PL mount is possible but could be very expensive to make now or an opposite could be cheaper in a future when more RED users demand i/cable as a standard.

My favorite IMS mount adapter is Leica-M.

Also I do not owe more than 3-4 Leica-M mount lenses but in a future looking forward to get the best from Leica, Voigtländer and Zeiss.

And it could interfere with other electronics or the cooling fans!

Just open your desktop or even better laptop, iphone or any other mobile device computer, phone, camera, etc..., and have a look how many cable spaghetti are there that do not interfere other electronics.

 

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

I think the fans are at the bottom of the camera in their own compartment but the sensor board is obviously right there.

What if the cable falls to the bottom? I think youre not supossed to push it back... Anyway, let the red team speak about this one.

 

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Just open your desktop or even better laptop, iphone or any other mobile device computer, phone, camera, etc..., and have a look how many cable spaghetti are there that do not interfere other electronics.

Hehehehe...... lets hope not.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

How do you control the F/stops with that? It odes accept AF lenses right?

It accepts all manual Nikon F, AF, G and DX lenses.

But aperture ring you should know that is possible to control on manual and AF lenses only.

All other dream options are still in a fog.

I have to check it out this week what happened with my 16/9 Nikon G lenses on Canon EF mount with aperture control.

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I was just rolling some test footage made from my desktop to balcony and couldn't resist:

Let's talk Olympics.

The legendary 'Olympic' Sonnar designed for Olympics games in 1936 Berlin.

Bamboo leaves from my balcony shot using Zeiss Olimpia Sonnar 180mm f/2.8, ISO 320, all on RED with IMS (Nikon F mount).

No any CC.

Still a great lens after 72 years!!!

Right away from REDAlert.

In shortly OUTSTANDING quality.

Even Terrence Malick could get jealous about a picture beauty.

 

[Johan Pabon]

I believe they were made especially for Leni Riefenstahl, right?

 

[Thor Wixom]

Birger is a nice idea but everybody here should know that still zoom lens doesn't handle a focus during zoom like a cine lens.

Sanjin,

Yes, everyone should understand this. It is essential to know.

However, when Birger introduces zoom control, it will open the door to zoom / focus compensation, especially with an autofocus. If the zoom / focus characteristics of the lens could be mapped, you could have the electronics of the mount compensate the focus to the focal length and focus distance of the zoom action. The still lens would then behave like a true cinema, ENG, or studio zoom.

By the way, I did a still shoot the other day with a fast moving object (road biker) where I followed the subject along a trajectory that was diagonal to me. I set the camera to continuous focus and held the shutter button halfway down to make sure it was constantly engaged. Then I tracked the subject. The focus held all the way through the shot with no visible stepping. I don't know why the smart electronics of the Birger (or the mount in this thread) couldn't be used to achieve an autofocus for such situations.

I'm shooting at the world famous Miller track soon. I would *love* to have autofocus or focus assist for that shoot.

-Thor

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I believe they were made especially for Leni Riefenstahl, right?

I would say more for Olympics photo journalism of that time (1936) than for Leni (of course it was a part of Hitler's propaganda but there were other photographers involved too).

Sanjin,

Yes, everyone should understand this. It is essential to know.

However, when Birger introduces zoom control, it will open the door to zoom / focus compensation, especially with an autofocus. If the zoom / focus characteristics of the lens could be mapped, you could have the electronics of the mount compensate the focus to the focal length and focus distance of the zoom action. The still lens would then behave like a true cinema, ENG, or studio zoom.

By the way, I did a still shoot the other day with a fast moving object (road biker) where I followed the subject along a trajectory that was diagonal to me. I set the camera to continuous focus and held the shutter button halfway down to make sure it was constantly engaged. Then I tracked the subject. The focus held all the way through the shot with no visible stepping. I don't know why the smart electronics of the Birger (or the mount in this thread) couldn't be used to achieve an autofocus for such situations.

I'm shooting at the world famous Miller track soon. I would *love* to have autofocus or focus assist for that shoot.

-Thor

Thor,

Agree and we still have to wait and see how all the things are working with Birger on RED.

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

maybe an option to pay RED to remove the ipin cable.. because i mean.. really, whats it doing there?
i dont care for it

 

[Giancarlo Bianchi]

Well, I believe in further models the Ipin cable should be held within the RED body side of the mount, then, there wouldnt be need to have PS+technic or other brands going back to the drawing board, and makes more sense.... I guess... Any toughts?

 

[C.H.Haskell]

Sanjin, awesome...congrats! I hope this all gets sorted out, this combo makes for one universal setup. How do you achieve back focus?

 

[Zack Birlew]

Looking at where the i-cable is on the mount, it's clear to see that it is poorly placed, especially for a camera designed to have swappable lens mounts.

 

[Thor Wixom]

Thor,

Agree and we still have to wait and see how all the things are working with Birger on RED.

Sanjin,

Maybe P+S Technik could take the Birger Brain and adapt it to their IMS Canon mount?

Since you have the P+S ear, will you ask them?

-Thor

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sanjin, awesome...congrats! I hope this all gets sorted out, this combo makes for one universal setup. How do you achieve back focus?

Today I dropped my RED in P+S Technik Headquartwrs in Ottobrunn/München to collimate for a back focus adjustment.

Also I did not meet the main P+S Technik guys because all of them are now on holidays.

Maybe I'm getting camera back tomorrow or at the beginning of next week.

I'll check it out about that tomorrow morning.

Sanjin,

Maybe P+S Technik could take the Birger Brain and adapt it to their IMS Canon mount?

Since you have the P+S ear, will you ask them?

-Thor

I'm still thinking about Birger: Should I stay or should I leave that option.

There are following two facts I am thinking about now: The first fact is that still photo zooms are not keeping focus during zoom. The second fact is that there are a lot of excellent and very fast manual still photo lenses that can be used with IMS on RED without a need of Birger.

In that case the question should be something like: If I have IMS, do I need Birger EF at all?

So I still did not make a final decision.

Also nobody knows till now about if it possible to get Birger on IMS.

 

[Roberto B]

I'm still thinking about Birger: Should I stay or should I leave that option.

There are following two facts I am thinking about now: The first fact is that still photo zooms are not keeping focus during zoom. The second fact is that there are a lot of excellent and very fast manual still photo lenses that can be used with IMS on RED without a need of Birger.

In that case the question should be something like: If I have IMS, do I need Birger EF at all?

So I still did not make a final decision.

Also nobody knows till now about if it possible to get Birger on IMS.

you're being silly again sanjin.. apples to oranges.. IMS + Birger might be "that" combo.. and you our hero..

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btw, where are such pics from your spanish vacations?.. i mean, those ones..

 

[Thor Wixom]

Sanjin,

It really comes down to your style of shooting, and the types of shoots that you typically find yourself on.

I do a lot of shooting where it will be impracticle if not impossible to switch quickly between PL and Birger, unless the IMS is somehow incorporated.

I would be willing to pay for a one-off Birger / IMS solution. It may involve custom machining and thousands of dollars, but it would be worth it to me.

Rehousing the Birger Brain in an IMS Canon mount may be the ticket, but it may or may not be possible.

Thank you for keeping this issue in mind, and for asking P+S.

-Thor

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

you're being silly again sanjin.. apples to oranges.. IMS + Birger might be "that" combo.. and you our hero..

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btw, where are such pics from your spanish vacations?.. i mean, those ones..

Could be that I will stay to push development of Birger on RED.

But still nobody got Birger till today.

About Ibiza and Formentera nudity pics there are not allowed here at the forum.

In that case you get some celebrity photos from the same Illetes beach on Formentera below.

Kate Moss and Marc Jacobs coming from Ibiza to Formentera's Illetes beach for fun.

LINK>>>

 

[Roberto B]

Could be that I will stay to push development of Birger on RED.

But still nobody got Birger till today.

outdated argument till tomorrow.. you as birger believer are so necessary as you have been so far.. as IMS believer.. after all, you are a believer.. except as far as macgregor's clips concern..

About Ibiza and Formentera nudity pics there are not allowed here at the forum.

BS BS BS

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=purity

did i type princeton?.. :innocent:

























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speaking about your famous pics.. i'm waiting for yours at my pm box.. no more no less.. no big feet this time right?..

 

[Harky Jewett]

Arguments about the iPin cable aside, what about the back focus ring? Is it difficult to remove? And how do you adjust the back focus on the IMS mount?

I think it is a terrific, and affordable, product that many many people (including myself) will want, but there are just too many questions at the moment.

It is clearly in P+S Technik's interest to work this out with Red. I hope they do.

 

[Michael Hastings]

I would be willing to pay for a one-off Birger / IMS solution. It may involve custom machining and thousands of dollars, but it would be worth it to me.

-Thor

AT some point financially it might be more profitable just to buy a second REDONE body.