Importing R3d Into FCPX as RWG/Log film

[Steve DiMaggio]

Everytime I import footage into fcpx it comes in as the "look" I shot with in camera, is there a way to import as rwg and red log film?

I change all my daytime footage to this and keep my inside footage as the look unless it needs to be tweaked, would save a little time

steve

 

[Scot Yount]

The only thing I can think of is to change it to whatever you want inside RCX first. However, you can do the same thing inside FCPX as well, so not really gaining anything there. Not sure if you can change them all at once in FCPX, but it might be possible.

 

[Olivier Gresse]

I think you need to install RED Apple Workflow Release 11 and you can change your footage to Redlog Film in Final Cut Pro X in the "info palette".

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

Yes you can change it once it comes into fcpx, I want to import it as wide gam film log

steve

 

[Bob Gundu]

It's takes a couple seconds to open the footage in RCX and change all to LOG or whatever and the change will update in FCPX.

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

Hey bob, do you just hit save after that? Sorry for the simple questions

steve

 

[Scot Yount]

You don't have to save. When you save in RCX you are saving the project. But any changes you make to the .r3ds save to the sidecar file not RCX regardless of whether you save the project or not.

Edit: I should also point out that the above only applies to the Look settings, not the post. Post only takes effect when you export.

 

[Bob Gundu]

By default auto save should be on in RCX. So any adjustments are saved automatically to the RMD.

 

[Scot Yount]

By default auto save should be on in RCX. So any adjustments are saved automatically to the RMD.

Thanks Bob, I inadvertently left that part out...

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

sick, thanks guys

steve

 

[Terry VerHaar]

A quick follow on here...

It used to be that you had to save an RMD in REDCine-X first if you wanted to go back and forth from FCPX to RCX. In other words, if you ingested into FCPX and changed any RED parameters there first, those changes wouldn't be reflected if you went back to RCX.

My question - is that still the case or can you now go back and forth starting in either app?

Thanks.

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

So I must be doing something wrong, if i highlight all clips in finder I can't change the "look"

If I drop them in the timeline and change them and then re open, they are how they were shot in camera

this is all in RCXP

any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Steve

 

[David Battistella]

Steps;

1. Open all clips i RCX
2. Place all the clips in a NEW BIN inside the PROJECT
3. Select the first clip in the Bin and set the setting you want for that.
4. Create a Look preset with the first clip in the bin, Name it REDLOG FILM or whatever you want.
5. select all the clips in the bin.
6. Apply the preset you created to the ALL CLIPS IN BIN.
7. Double click on a few clips in the bin and load them in to the viewer to see that they are FLAT
8. Open FCP X.
9 IMPORT footage.
10. The footage will have everything you applied in RCX MINUS any of the POST LOOK EFFECTS.

So I must be doing something wrong, if i highlight all clips in finder I can't change the "look"

If I drop them in the timeline and change them and then re open, they are how they were shot in camera

this is all in RCXP

any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Steve

 

[Bob Gundu]

What David said. But it will also the same after the footage is already imported into FCPX.

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

cool thanks! I missed the bin part, I am new to RCXP. I just did a bulk change in fcpx last night as a band aid

steve

 

[Jon Dishler]

I find there are two different phases. During import, if you change parameters in either FCP or in RCXP (while the card is in the reader) it will be reflected in the RMD in both places. Once import is completed, and you log out of FCP, then you can find the file on the hard disk in RCXP and if you make changes there is will be reflected in FCP X, or saved changes in FCP X will also be reflected when calling up the file in RCXP. The latter can be helpful for instance if you want to use the white balance picker, call up the file in the path in RCXP, adjust the white balance, and it will be reflected when you call up the same file in FCP X. Nothing fancy required. Basically if you change the linked RMD file which stores the raw changes, it will be changed wherever the file is opened.

 

[Björn Benckert]

What David describes is really good way to batch change all selected clips for selected parameters.
But also just to keep in mind. This RMD editing in redline is rather powerful. Make sure you do not over write your DP´s or others previously made settings. So make sure you understand how to only transfer wanted parameters. Like the gamma setting or what ever. So that you don't copy over and wipe all white balance settings etc if that was not intended.... Doing that, and your previous redcineXP settings are gone for the given clips.

 

[Michael Tiemann]

Encouraged by all the smart people on this list who keep saying that the time for hating on FCPX is long gone, I decided to try to use it for a little project. Everything went great until I tried to render my project. For reasons I cannot understand, everything that looked perfect in my viewer window is coming out as if the RWG/3G10 LUT has been applied twice. How do I tell FCPX that I want it to render what I see in the viewer window, not some color corrected color corrected monstrosity. I have the PIXEL FILM STUDIOS LUT plugin loader installed, and dropped a LUT onto my clip using that.

Again, everything looks perfect in my viewer window. I just cannot seem to get a rendering that doesn't look like a clown on acid in a discount store's makeup clearance section.

 

[David Battistella]

Hi Michael,

Need to know what codec you are rendering too. IF you render out to PR4444 you should see no discrepancy in the gamma between the viewer and the rendered file. Are you using a video monitoring card like and Decklink to look at the images on a separate calibrated monitor? This is kinda the only way to be certain of your color/gamma pipeline.

Some codecs do weird things to gamma.

Generally I only render out PR4444 material from FCPX creating a "master" and then use something like handbrake or compressor to create "deliverables".

The only other thing I suggest is reimporting your rendered file into FCP X and looking at them both on the scopes within FCP X. Is there a discrepancy there?

David

 

[Michael Tiemann]

The only other thing I suggest is reimporting your rendered file into FCP X and looking at them both on the scopes within FCP X. Is there a discrepancy there?

David

David, thanks for your answer--it is clearly on the right path. I'm still mystified by my failure, but I have made some progress: I've been shooting and reshooting a video tutorial and each time I upload the footage to FCPX I've been setting the color space to RWG and gamma to 3G10, or so I thought. Turns out that my last take, which was a keeper, remained at DC2/RG4. Which meant that when I added the RWG+3G10->Rec 709 LUT, my colors went nuts. I have applied the correct color and gamma settings to the R3D media, and in 10-15 minutes I'll know whether my render is good or not.

I remain confused as to how my viewer, which in retrospect was showing me the good side of DC2/RG4, wasn't showing me the garish colors of the LUT on top of it. But with the right metadata settings (and an ISO boost from 800 to 2000 that seemed necessary) I'm hopeful that my viewer and render will agree.