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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

I really need some help with output. Anyone?

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Hello to everyone at RedUser, My name is Don. I am an Independent filmmaker whose experience goes as far as the DVX and film. I am new to HD and I am an absolute novice at the whole concept of the Red and the workflow, hence I have been here a lot the past few days. I was recently been introduced to the camera by a friend of mine, who had just rented the camera. We did a of of test shots and after shooting for a few days at 4k we decided to look at what we shot on a HD monitor (720p). We are running a quad core mac 2.66 and 2 gigs of ram. Not a heavy machine or monitor, but it should be enough right?

Anyway we used Red Cine to view, lightly color correct, and output quicktime files at Apple prores 422 HQ at 1080. For some odd reason, red alert consistently and faithfully crashed every single time, while RedCine was a rock. Didn't expect that, after reading these boards for a while. The footage we saw looked great in final cut. I was really starting to become a believer until...we attempted to burn the footage to disk. Ok in all fairness we did use a STANDARD definition disk. we do not have access to a Blu ray burner. The end result.....Horrible footage....digital lines....just stuff that I would not show anyone.

Can anyone answer me this one question. How can I get what I see on my HD Television and computer screens, to look like that on a DVD or other medium? Like I said, the footage that came from red cine and in final cuut was BEAUTIFUL. The footage on the DVD....not This is the dilemma that we have been having. Yes I know it's probably a simple question, but it's been kicking us in the shins for days now. What good is all this wonderful footage, if the only way we can view it is through our computer? Sure, I could post a few clips on the net and they would be as stunning as any other filmmaker using the Red, but what about being able to output this to a DVD. How do you do it without it looking.....well...pixilated? I will appreciate and take all of your help into account. Thanks Red Users!
 
How are you doing the scaling down to SD?
 
You should probably explain your methods of getting the footage onto DVD.
Were you just importing into iDVD? Or did you bring your footage into compressor for a "DVD: best quality" render, then import into DVD studio pro and burn to disc?
 
it seems like your achilles heel here is compression. check your compression settings. DVDSP defaults to a rather lack lustre encoding scheme.
 
Hello again. We exported the footage from Final cut as a Pro Res file and then imported the file directly into dvd studio pro, We did not use compressor at all. Would we have had success if we used compressor?
 
Hello again. We exported the footage from Final cut as a Pro Res file and then imported the file directly into dvd studio pro, We did not use compressor at all. Would we have had success if we used compressor?

I believe so yes. It takes a hell of alot of time, though. But I guess that's the price we have to pay.

Also check the preferences in DVDSP. There's stuff to choose in the encoding tab.
 
Scale down with MPEG Streamclip (free) and then do the compression in compressor. Much faster! Or get the new version of BitVice (www.innobits.se), it offers excellent downscaling choices plus very good and fast encoding all in one product.
 
I've been a Bitvise user for years. It does a great job of encoding MPEG2. However, I have not found the perfect combination of settings to get rid of aliasing when downscaling. Strangely, Compressor does a better job in this regard. So I'm going to have to keep testing algorithms until I find just the right combo. I'm on the latest version of Bitvise, which is much faster than the older version, and still seems to maintain good quality, despite the aliasing.
 
try mpeg streamclip - it's free and fast. many options.

http://www.squared5.com/

filip

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edit - just saw that streamclip is already mentioned - well... but streamclip is definitelly good option!
 
Don, I assume you checked the exported file from FCP and it was as beautiful as while you were working on it in FCP? I haven't used mpeg streamclip, but have been testing DVDSP this week for best quality. Last night I exported a Prores file from FCP to SD DVD. This short tutorial video on YouTube was a great help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BudYuQlQ0Y

Exporting time out of FCP for a 2 hr sequence was about 6 hours; and then of course only 10 mins to burn.

Best of luck.
 
I recently did a 48 hour film project with the RED camera and edited using the 2K proxies and then exporting out to DVD.

In Final Cut, we added a soft focus filter, just enough to smooth out the edges, but without affecting focus. The actual filter in Final Cut was the “Soft Focus” filter with “Amount 1” and “Strength .21”.

We then exported out to compressor, with custom settings, but basically just a 2-pass VBR. The results were outstanding. Also, really good going to H264, although you need to watch out for Gamma Issues.

More info on our process can be found at the website www.bayareafilmmakers.com

Thomas Koch
www.bayareafilmmakers.com
 
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