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I can't watch 4k... or 2k for that matter

Nicholas Steinwachs

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We've all heard the discussion about accessibility to high-res displays, and what the prices are ($60k-ish), and seen footage of demo models from major manufacturers. We've even heard Mr. Jannard talk about how they're just on the horizon.

Given RED's history of jumping the progression of technology, I'd really like to see them provide a 4k monitor or projector in the sub-$15k range, or even a "consumer" 2-3k monitor in the $1500 range. A Dell IPS is as much as an independent enthusiast/hobbyist (like me) can afford, but I'd love to see other options.

What kind of technical or economic (i.e. consumer demand) problems prevent such displays from becoming commonplace?

Was it just the decision of the industry to go with 1080p as the standard for HD?

Is it a ridiculous question to ask why RED can't develop a monitor for THE PEOPLE? I bet folks would pay a pretty penny at BestBuy for that one kickass display with the cool red dot logo they haven't seen before...
 
They've already admitted at NAB they're developing a 4k "consumer" projector, I would have to believe a monitor is in the works as well...
 
Asking why the industry didn't jump from standard def (720 x 480 in the U.S.) to 4K is a little like asking why digital cameras weren't initially 21MP. The 1920 x 1080 resolution standard for TV was in development for decades, even before digital video came along.

And 1080P TV monitors have only become commonplace (and affordable) in the last four years. So give 4K some time. There will also be piracy issues to be addressed, since a 4K copy is more or less like having the original master. Studios will be cautious about letting 4K copies go out to the public.

As for 2K, it's more or less the same resolution as 1920 x 1080 HD -- even when you scan 35mm film, it's 1828 pixels across for a "2K" scan if you are scanning a sound format like anamorphic or standard 35mm. 2048 pixels across is only for Super-35 / full aperture. So "2K" is 1828 or 2048 -- 1920 is in the same league.
 
Also, I'm pretty sure Sony is going to announce a 4K home projector at CEDIA... or should I say "mini-mansion projector" :)

Still, getting into the "mini-mansion" price range is a lot better than the "sizeable mansion" or "evil lair" price range.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
My mistake about 2k.


David Mullen makes a good point with the piracy issue. I the assumption needs to be made that the 4k resolution footage WILL be pirated, as everything has in the digital realm. I will be interested to see how the industry will adapt to this. Perhaps extremely lofty penalties for possession/distribution of an ultra-high def copy, vs. a slap on the wrist for 1080p or 720p? Also, they can specify bit rates and encoding in the laws to bring things down to a better level of precision... This would preserve, to an extent, the current situation without completely destroying the draw of the theaters.

Finally, I understand the difference between "Professional" and "Consumer" with cameras. It makes a lot of sense. However, to draw such lines on displays is a mistake - you get what you pay for. All I was saying is that the more RED can enable folks to view 4k imagery, the better it will be for their business.

Oh, I keep forgetting about encoding or transferring that amount of information... maybe there does need to be some advances, either in storage media, or processing power, before such technology can become cheaply accessible.
 
Piracy seems like a non-sequitor to me. Films have been going out practically in 720p or less for ages. Now we have 2k projectors and BluRay is practically 2k. A bluray to a current movie is as much a master as a 4k copy will be to future films.
 
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