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I am red speaking

The look of film is like fine cheese everyone would like to try it, but I am red, I am like american slice cheese sooner or later everyone will use me.
 
G.W.Film said:
I am red speaking

The look of film is like fine cheese everyone would like to try it, but I am red, I am like american slice cheese sooner or later everyone will use me.
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go shoot film then. I see no reason to slander a company that truly embodies an artistic spirit in it's practices and beliefs, and have allowed a great many of us to further ourselves artistically with superior technology.
 
I love film....hell there are a few thousand feet of the new Fuji 35mm stock in my frig right now.....but I don't own a 35mm camera...I can take my Red out right now and go shoot and see the results immediately. I call that artistic freedom and am grateful for it.
 
Slice this

Slice this

G.W.Film said:
I am red speaking

The look of film is like fine cheese everyone would like to try it, but I am red, I am like american slice cheese sooner or later everyone will use me.
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The look of film is like a vinyl LP record. Nothing too crisp, with lots of noise (in film, it's called grain.) Red is like a CD, crystal clear with more resolution. Anyone bought an LP recently?

So I think red is the fine tasting cheese, and film is the stinky old moldy rind that's been on the shelf too long.

P.S. I've shot lots of film, but was happy to sell my ARRI SR. I don't miss changing bags, dirty negatives, expensive labs that trash your irreplaceable footage, a long complex edit chain, storing all that heavy stock which eventually rots, etc. etc. etc.
 
I'm not bashing red at all ,if you think that, well that's your problem. The reason I call film fine cheese because we always compare red to film, but by the end of the day red is american slice cheese where going to use it on a daily bases and prefer it over fine cheese
 
G.W.Film said:
I'm not bashing red at all ,if you think that, well that's your problem. The reason I call film fine cheese because we always compare red to film, but by the end of the day red is american slice cheese where going to use it on a daily bases and prefer it over fine cheese
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I've shot millions of feet of film, 10 features, 700+ commercials and music videos, most in 35mm. Film is still great and everything, but I really dig shooting with my Red. With care and a bit of skill you can get great results - in many situations it's superior to 35mm.


Matt Uhry
www.mattuhry.com
 
G.W.Film said:
I'm not bashing red at all ,if you think that, well that's your problem. The reason I call film fine cheese because we always compare red to film, but by the end of the day red is american slice cheese where going to use it on a daily bases and prefer it over fine cheese
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No worries. I just hate American sliced cheese. It's tasteless and full of chemicals. I only see it at McDonalds, so I couldn't handle your analogy.

Unlike many here, for the reasons I mentioned, I do not love film. I think Red is more than a cheaper compromise. I think its a vast improvement.

If film has more dynamic range today (hotly debated here), the next generation of sensors and software will change that as well. There has not been a magazine picture or billboard shot on film for five years. Now that we can shoot the same images at 24fps, sell your Kodak stock.
 
There are some very fine cheeses made in a America.

Of course, I know the American cheese to which you refer...

To be fair, I would classify HDV as American cheese, and Red as one of the finer "American" cheeses on the following list:

http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/the-great-american-cheese-plate

These cheeses would still be snubbed by many European food critics, as Red is often snubbed by the film "elitists".

But I'll take "Red" cheese over "Film" cheese any day... I just don't like grain in my cheese!

-Thor
 
G.W.Film said:
I'm not bashing red at all ,if you think that, well that's your problem. The reason I call film fine cheese because we always compare red to film, but by the end of the day red is american slice cheese where going to use it on a daily bases and prefer it over fine cheese
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I can't see this analogy holding up since sliced (processed) cheese is horrible stuff. The only way that I can interpret the analogy is:

film = fine quality, great selection for every desire, more care is taken in its preparing and so it can create a wide range of wonderful productions.

Red = anything else would be better but if you don't care about quality at all you can use this where only cost matters and it is acceptable for the end products to be nasty at best and more usually horrible.

I gotta say I don't agree with that at all.
 
Clint Johnson said:
I can't see this analogy holding up since sliced (processed) cheese is horrible stuff. The only way that I can interpret the analogy is:

film = fine quality, great selection for every desire, more care is taken in its preparing and so it can create a wide range of wonderful productions.

Red = anything else would be better but if you don't care about quality at all you can use this where only cost matters and it is acceptable for the end products to be nasty at best and more usually horrible.

I gotta say I don't agree with that at all.
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this is how I interpreted the statement as well.
 
Ah....the great forum of free speech opens it's door again. Even thou this debate is getting a little worn out....I do agree with the analogy.
I don't agree with the comment that 'fine quality' means all elements of an item should meet everybody's benchmark of greatness.

Point....
When I saw/tasted my first fine French cheese...it looked like pus soup with mouldy bits and a smell to, well......challenge the most ardent lover.
But after a few encounters of dipping my bread stick (pain du campagne) it was the most beautiful 'acquired' taste ever...well, better than sliced bread with kraft cheese.
I'm sure similiar analogies can be drawn with Rembrandt's inpressionistic 'pics' and so forth.
Now depending if you're attacking/defending Film or Red...these analogies will seem over the mark, but one thing everybody should (does) realise is that film is a medium that the general public has 'acquired' over the last hundred (or so) years and whilst it may have it's unpasterised mouldy bits and is difficult to handle....its' certainly the bench mark that even Jim & co know they've got to conquer as his latest quote suggests....."Monstro" represents the final frontier in the digital vs. film struggle.

D
 
I typically don't get into this film vs. digital debate because I quite simply love both under certain circumstances, but since we're talking about cheese, here's some food for thought for the purists...

When you send film off to get processed, it's processed. Someone else grades it and gives your properly exposed footage the look you want. I love watching the deleted scenes on DVDs just to see how definitive this difference often is between graded and ungraded footage. "Layer Cake" comes to mind.

Shooting RAW, cutting, grading, finishing your own footage, you have both the control and responsibility. What is more pure than that?
 
G.W.Film said:
I am red speaking

The look of film is like fine cheese everyone would like to try it, but I am red, I am like american slice cheese sooner or later everyone will use me.
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Folks- do yourselves a favor. Don't drink or smoke weed and then start a new thread. You just regret it the next day when you read what you wrote...

Noah
 
NoahK said:
Folks- do yourselves a favor. Don't drink or smoke weed and then start a new thread. You just regret it the next day when you read what you wrote...

Noah
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Yeah, much better to stick to mushrooms and e.

Although the original poster might be on those too...

Actually it was quite poetic and weird. Thanks, I'm in the middle of writing a script, I might use that whole cheese image somehow!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Red is more of a gorgonzola where as Film is more of a Mozzerella.

or maybe a fine Edam.

By this logic it follows that reversal film is therefore something of a Roquefort pie with a crusty topping.

and Super 8 is clearly a Camembert.

I like cheese. It is nice.

heres a photo of someone shooting on their new red.

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