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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

HYDROGEN preorders...

Or maybe RED is launching their satellites for their HYDROGEN network.... or maybe Jim is playing with acronyms for his newly invented H4V CODEC that is part video part 3D geometry part holography.

Or maybe there's HYDROGENS in space now, and when we get our HYDROGENS, we'll be comiserating with astronauts on our phones with astronauts in space.

Ok, that's out there.

Eric Lange said:
Are you saying that Astronauts have H1's with Prosumer modules on them ? (maybe? / perhaps)... [Personally regular H1's would be awesome on the ISS , to give a sense of what it's like living and working in space].

We still have to see a shot of an H1 in a mirror showing simultaneously front and back (scratching chin emoticon)...

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OR NASA is running R3D on a different camera/sensor ? Not a RED camera per se... But R3D on board ?
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Personally, I think it's Epic-W Gemini, and not Hydrogen. The Gemini sensor was created for a 'space client' specifically, and only released the sensor for others to use, after said 'space client' funded it.
 
Christopher bell said:
I agree with you. It would be a nice update/tease to see a shot of the H1 in a mirror showing the back and front of the device. It essentially wouldn't reveal any details that would violate any partnerships of RED. So it would be a harmless update and build anticipation for the month of April.
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That sounds rather ominous...

If they did announce their Partners TODAY... (for example) not sure how that would violate their partners/partnerships ?

I think it's more about not letting the competition get the jump on them? [Maybe I'm not thinking straight?].

BTW @ Christopher when do you go to NAB? And do you get to walk around and spend time at other events/stands / talks etc.

Interesting Phil Holland has been making "Micro" mutterings about folks in Cinema and broadcast deciding (behind closed doors) the initial fate or uptake of a synthesis of CG/Reality capture / Broadcast formats etc... I wonder how much of that idea will be evident for NAB.

Can't find Phil H's specific post but remembered this seems to be something going on in the background.
 
Adam Montville said:
Personally, I think it's Epic-W Gemini, and not Hydrogen. The Gemini sensor was created for a 'space client' specifically, and only released the sensor for others to use, after said 'space client' funded it.
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Gemini pre-cursors have been flown on the ISS before... If you trawl through Jarred's FB and IG pages and other sources.

Why would Jarred not say... "Hey we got a Gemini on board there? (again)) now newer and better) ?"

Gemini has been released (you can buy one) whereas HYDROGEN has not been released and there is some speculation about RED SECRET SAUCE being used in conjunction with NON-RED sensors.

Something that Chris and I have been muttering about is that a NON_RED sensor would be used on pro-sumer modules for HYDROGEN.

Right now (The Tim Peak, British Astronaut book) he talks about using Nikon D4s (16.4 MP) Quote " and highly sensitive image sensor, making it perfect for low-light situations. The ISS is well stocked with lenses but I tended to stick to a staple diet of 28mm, 50-500mm, 400 mm and 800 mm lenses. We tried not to change lenses too often- dust and particles don't sink to the floor in microgravity and it's so easy to introduce contaminants into the camera when its exposed.

"Another problem is radiation. On the ISS we are above much of the Earth's magnetic field, which is protecting you right now from radiation. Not only are we bombarded by solar particles, but also by extremely energetic galactic cosmic radiation from deep space. At night we would often see streaks of light when we closed our eyes-very pretty until you realize a small part of your retina has just been smashed by a proton. Our cameras suffer the same impacts too. Over time, we see a degradation in picture quality with more and more dead pixels showing up - a sure sign that it's time to replace the camera"

Excerpt from Tim Peaks book (funded by the Prince's trust + ESA and Random House)... "Tim Peake, Hello, is this planet Earth ? (my view from the International Space Station).

In Tim's book they show Nikon bodys permanently attached to lenses 5 or six Nikons with different length lenses on hand... (I'm sure there are many many other cameras on the ISS but maybe different nation's property/ national modules?).

It used to be something like 3000 lbs of booster fuel for 1 pound of payload (or something like that, need to check) so each pound you put in orbit is really expensive; so you would think that a HYDROGEN module or HYDROGEN based system would be perfect for the ISS... I.e. you can have a HYDROGEN module for just about every lens on the ISS. (maybe perhaps)... And if a RED/Foxconn/ mystery partner can enable a near Medium Format sensor cheaply like $10K (not unlike what the new Hasselblad/ Chinese new owner Drone guys are fix'n to do) then that would be a really great tool perhaps... Not sure about sensitivity an'all that ? Or just fairly current H1 module given that they have been using 16 MP Nikons.
 
Adam Montville said:
Personally, I think it's Epic-W Gemini, and not Hydrogen. The Gemini sensor was created for a 'space client' specifically, and only released the sensor for others to use, after said 'space client' funded it.
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Yes, that sounds likely to me too. Maybe they're planning some sort of live link up from the ISS to NAB as they did last year with the live 4k relay (which used Epic)?

Hey, just to really stir up the rumour mill, how about they have a live 5K link and halfway through it, one of the astronauts pulls a Hydrogen from his pocket and gives us a demo. Front AND back !!!! You heard it here first folks.

On a side note, @Eric, I believe Nikon have had an exclusive contract to supply NASA with 35mm and subsequently digital stills cameras since the very early missions and I'm pretty sure all the stills cameras and lenses on the ISS are Nikon.

I'm a Nikon guy so we're proud of these things. In fact, it was one of the reasons I lusted after Hasselblads and Nikons when I was a kid. I reckoned if they were good enough for astronauts to use in space, they'd be good enough for me!

Just think if my prediction actually came true, there could be a whole new generation who see the Hydrogen in space and become RED customers because of it. You've got to admit, it would be a hell of a PR stunt.
 
John Chambers said:
Yes, that sounds likely to me too. Maybe they're planning some sort of live link up from the ISS to NAB as they did last year with the live 4k relay (which used Epic)?

Hey, just to really stir up the rumour mill, how about they have a live 5K link and halfway through it, one of the astronauts pulls a Hydrogen from his pocket and gives us a demo. Front AND back !!!! You heard it here first folks.

On a side note, @Eric, I believe Nikon have had an exclusive contract to supply NASA with 35mm and subsequently digital stills cameras since the very early missions and I'm pretty sure all the stills cameras and lenses on the ISS are Nikon.

I'm a Nikon guy so we're proud of these things. In fact, it was one of the reasons I lusted after Hasselblads and Nikons when I was a kid. I reckoned if they were good enough for astronauts to use in space, they'd be good enough for me!

Just think if my prediction actually came true, there could be a whole new generation who see the Hydrogen in space and become RED customers because of it. You've got to admit, it would be a hell of a PR stunt.
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Yuuuuuuuup... Roger that !


That would be super awesome... REALLY super awesome and with such style, especially for NAB!

YUP totally agree on the Nikon and Hasselblad cameras in space (always captured my imagination) although I use and engineer cameras that are way more precise that the Hasselblad photogrammetric cameras... (cough cough cough... cough, but very inspirational never the less ). It's funny I have been always a Nikon and Hassy guy too (have occasionally gone to Canon), but professionally I use weird cameras, Fairchild or ZEISS Aerial and photogrammetric surveying cameras don't get much play (or Wild for that matter). Nikon for first US space walk with Ed White ... Unfortunately he got torched on the Apollo 1 catastrophy/ test... I got to work on some of his space suits when I worked as a conservator at the Smithsonian (national Air and Space Museum) (in the early 90's). http://science.time.com/2013/02/01/nasas-astronaut-day-of-remembrance/slide/apollo-1-gus-grissom/


John Chambers said:
Hey, just to really stir up the rumour mill, how about they have a live 5K link and halfway through it, one of the astronauts pulls a Hydrogen from his pocket and gives us a demo. Front AND back !!!! You heard it here first folks.
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HELL YEH! !! !!


OMG half the time I feel like I'm skating on thin ice... (Tony V's questions always make me feel I'm partially busting someone's IP about "Obviousness" and at the same time drawn into MYTHBUSTING).


So what about "Team Gary Adcock"... So it's not a RED event but its a NASA event? / NAB event?

I can't even imagine what the ISS costs per minute for the nations and taxpayers combined... (Shhhh... It's totally worth it!)...


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Astronaut Ed White on first US EVA/ space walk on GEMINI 4.( 03 June 1965 ); photo taken by commander James McDivitt.

^^^ I think that's the Nikon... Although (If memory serves me right) they had 5 Nikons and I think they all of them nearly jammed on first US space walk...

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Source / credit : https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/gemini_4_eva.html
 
Here is a link to a pdf with info about the Dragon payload:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/spacex_crs-14_mision_overview_high_res.pdf

Included on the list of Launch Hardware:

"External high definition camera assemblies: Enhanced HD camera components will be used
for external viewing for science and other utilization objectives"
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Emphasis on the word enhanced added by me.

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On a skeptical note about "R3D", it looks like it is the name given to an ongoing ISS research project sponsored by ESA:

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/experiments/1673.html
 
Christopher bell said:
No Wednesday update this week :/
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It's not the end of "Hump day" yet... :-)

(Maybe tomorrow we get the 'ump).

Jannard has been known to make major announcements in the small wee hours of the morning.
 
How come the Earth and Moon orbit hasn't decayed more? I was thinking about a low moon orbit satellite network to film the Earth multipoint over the range the moon goes over on Earth. But using a high polar luna orbit would give you the range to do a hemisphere at a time with the outside range being more from side.

Anyway, the transference of motion energy interactions to heat should drastically reduce orbit hieght over time.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Or maybe they are taking hydrogen up there to film NAB. :smiley:



Around 35,786km.
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Aye, "Clarke orbit" 35,780 Km

The International Space Stations Altitude is 205 miles or 330 Km travelling at roughly 5 miles per second (or 17,150 miles per hour)... But the Earth at the Equator travels at about 1042 miles an hour?

And the ISS does one Orbit of the Earth roughly 90 minutes or nearly 16 times per day...

That's an interesting challenge and network to broadcast to Earth.

I thought this was a cute graphic... you could draw NAB on it!

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Here is some inspiration. There is a second version coming. Will Hydrogen be compatible with this sort of content? Notice they are mounting their 3D screened camera in a headset. This is the sort of thing I am hoping could be done on Hydrogen. This would allow you to use the other content on the hydrogen this way too.

https://www.kickstarter.com/project...ext-revolution-in-3d-storytelling/description


The glases look nice:

 
There was an ultracheap geostationary satelite mobile phone telecommunications network they wanted to set up in the 80's. Two (maybe more satellites, would cover the entire subscriber base. I think still a boon for remote dwellings with line of site, but a problem for others areas where mountains may interfere as you curve around the earth.
 
Actually, I would say it might pay to invest/buy in a 3D camera company like that to incorporate their technology. The problem with buying outright, is people jump ship.
 
Sorry, I post too much lately. Getting too inspired.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
How come the Earth and Moon orbit hasn't decayed more? I was thinking about a low moon orbit satellite network to film the Earth multipoint over the range the moon goes over on Earth. But using a high polar luna orbit would give you the range to do a hemisphere at a time with the outside range being more from side.

Anyway, the transference of motion energy interactions to heat should drastically reduce orbit hieght over time.
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Well at 1/4 of a million miles the Moon is pretty much in an absolute vacuum appart from solar winds... I think the "slowing" of the Moon was as an indirect result of gravitational attraction of the Erath's oceans and indirectly friction of the oceans/ tides... Maybe that's a myth.

Need to do my homework..

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The interesting things about the Lunar regolith (soil) because of eons of solar winds the surface of the Moon is apparently packed with Helium 3. Helium 3 is a "substance" that actually makes fusion reactors 'Work"... I.e. the nuclear fusion reactions don't kick out very many neutrons where as more normal terrestrial attempts and fusion reactor design inevitable end up with creating a high density of neutrons that basically completely shred the walls of any reactor.

There is this idea that Chinese are keen on developing capabilities to eventually mine the Moon for Helium 3. You would only need to send a few tonnes of Helium 3 every year from the Moon to power a pretty decent sized country for a year.


If anyone fully figures that out the that would or could change the political landscape of Earth for ever. I.e. no longer dependent on Oil from the middle East. And no green house emissions.

The cost to accomplish that are pretty considerable like $2M / minute to mine the Moon in such a way.

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Maybe I did up some refs.

@Wayne what's wrong with polar orbit for a satellite in Orbit around Earth ... Why the Moon ?
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Actually, I would say it might pay to invest/buy in a 3D camera company like that to incorporate their technology. The problem with buying outright, is people jump ship.
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And prey continue what happens when people "Jump ship" as you say...
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Sorry, I post too much lately. Getting too inspired.
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I know I have post-itus but every day I say to my self well today we let the HDYROGEN threads sink all on their own and let everyone get on with their lives etc... and then BAM ! [Awesome announcement].

Can't wait to see the thing in the flesh. This is nuts!!!
 
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