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How would you support the Movi? Steadicam, Easyrig or something else...?

Caleb Heymann

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I've got a feature film coming up that's going to be shot entirely through the POV of a ghost. I've been stressing for months about what combination of Easyrigs, Steadicam, Easyrig-Figrig hybrid, and handheld to use. When the Movi announcement came, hyped as it was, it certainly seemed like the answer to our dreams. Still waiting to see how effectively the operator can control via Majestic mode, but for now I'm assuming it's a two person operation, and that I as the DP on the project will be controlling framing remotely on the monitor.

Obviously, as many have pointed out, the huge drawback to the Movi is one and the same as its appeal - it's not supported by anything other than our arms. So that will be great for shots where we want to pass the camera through a window or a hole in the fence to feel this sense of limitless movement, but on a day to day basis we'll want some support. Epic maxed out at 10 lbs in the cage, 3 lbs for a battery and monitor (not sure if that will be V-lock or Freefly's own) on the support bar, and 3.5 lbs for the rig itself will add up to around 16-17 lbs.

The Easyrig option to support the Movi is perhaps the simplest and most cost effective. Either the Cinema 3 300N, Cinema 3 400N or Vario should be fine for that weight. However I am worried about how low the camera will sit on the Easyrig. There's no way to get the support bar very high, and then you hook into the top handle on the Movi and the lens will sit somewhere below the operator's eye level. I'm about 6' but would certainly like the camera to be able to achieve at least my eye level and I'm worried the Easyrig won't get me there. It also seems with the Easyrig one it seems would have to use the 5" extended arm, as the normal version would put the camera too close to the body.

As for the option of mounting it on a Steadicam, I'm guessing it would go onto the arm as opposed to the sled. If it were able to rotate over 180-270 plus degrees, it would be exciting to put it on a sled and be able to go from low mode to high mode ala the MKV-AR, but it's limited to 90 degrees on the roll axis. So for simplicity and weight it will probably connect to the arm. Now if someone were to make a bracket something like Walter Klassen's Gore-Link system (see the link below) only with an adjustable height, that to me seems like the best solution. Perhaps it would allow you to go high if it had an adjustable post, or to go low by extending the cable down.

http://www.walterklassen.com/home-page/equipment-2/handheld/gore-link/

The downsides to this system seem to be the cost factor of a steadicam vest plus arm, and perhaps the weight as well. It's perhaps a bit overkill and limiting in movement, but then again, this could be a pretty powerful combo. So much of it would come down to the coordination between the rig operator and the remote control operator, unless of course this Majestic mode turns out to be something magic.

I know it's a largely hypothetical discussion at this point, but it's one I need to have nonetheless as things have to be decided so we can move forward with this feature (shooting around October). Any advice or ideas would be welcomed!
 
would love to hear more about this. Also think about all the possebilities of having a way to mount it (full movi) to a jib, crane. . . . would save you even more serious cash. . . but the way it is right now we would need the manufacturer to chim in cuz theory wont get us too far. . . but one can dream no? ^^
 
Yeah i contacted them twice trying to get more info about their plan for the steadicam attachment and how it performs on an easyrig, but nothing back yet. I appreciate their overloaded right now, but they don't even have a telephone number on their website!
 
Hey Caleb, I saw this thread a while back and thought of suggesting that you somehow attach a pole to a helmet so it can hinge in the middle of the pole, then add counterweights at the back and hang the movi from the front. That could help take most of the weight off your arms and allow you to hold the movi higher for longer. The downside being that you will probably look a bit silly. I came across this better-looking option today: http://cinemaoxide.com/zero-g.php
 
Great idea to adapt a Steady Cam support/vest for the Movi. You should contact Action Cam and see if they would be interested to work on a proto? I m sure something like this will come to the market.

Pat
 
I would get a small gyro like the movi or such for the job you describe.

But for that reason do not stop using all the other gear. If you look for a solution that works for everything, then usually that's quite a compromise.

So if you have the movi, then you can hang it under jib arms, onto simple dollies, wire cams, C stands etc. And if you do it all with bungies you got something that is not sensitive for high frequency shakes and you probably make smother and nicer camera moves than if you just hold the movi in your hand which to me should only be done for certain shots if there is no other way. As the handheld movi does not give you a smooth XYZ camera position wich many seams to think. As it is,it's actually only stabilise the rotation of the camera. So your moves vill be smother with a jib, dolly or so on. And to give the little extra pov kind of feel I would recomend a 4 point bungie rig in combination with the movi.

something like this but with the movi hanging underneath the bottom plate: http://www.streamport.tv/accessories/3186-red-bungee-camera-mount.html
 
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