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How will undercrank/overcrank work?

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Hi Guys,

I am a newbie here and so my question may sound very primitive and simple but just thought I would ask. How will the overcrank and undercrank method work? On the HVX200 you set your recording timebase (25p for example) then you set your frame rate (50fps for example) the result is overcranked footage. Will it be a similar process for the Red One?

If this is the case will there be standard timbases 'set in' to choose from i.e. 25p, 30p, 24p then you choose your subsequent frame rate?

Again sorry if this is an excruciatingly simple question :)

James
 
I'm probably talking out of my a$$ here, and hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought it would record a series of frames similar to a film camera. In other words, capable of being played back at any speed you select.

So then setting the timebase is something you would do in Redcine or your NLE, right? :unsure:
 
Overcrank / undercrank

Overcrank / undercrank

jamesratnarajah said:
How will the overcrank and undercrank method work? Will there be standard timbases 'set in' to choose from i.e. 25p, 30p, 24p then you choose your subsequent frame rate?
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Yes that's exactly how it works. The Project Frame Rate sets the playback speed and timecode count. When in variable speed capture, the camera just stamps each new frame with the next available timecode. On playback everything falls into place as a proper 23.98p, 24p, 25p etc video clip with correct timecode and built in slow motion or speed up motion characteristics.
 
You have to press a button and then rotate the camera around the lens axis an exact number of times in 4 seconds in a movement akin to a "barrel roll". Want 25FPS? Turn it 25 times. It seems irritating at first, but once you get good at flipping the camera into the air and doing it, it becomes pretty second-nature. The hardest one is 23.976 - that took me a few tries.

[As of NAB, accessing frame rate in the menu system was fast and easy, requiring only a few clicks of the thumb wheel on the back. I have no idea how much it's changed since then. The little thumb wheel joystick will make accessing menus quite simple, particularly to those used to messing with HVX-esque menus. I found the prototype menu system to be easier to use and more logical than Arri's D-20 menu, as an example.]

Again, this is 4-5 month old experience. Who knows how it's changed in the mean time.
 
Brook Willard said:
You have to press a button and then rotate the camera around the lens axis an exact number of times in 4 seconds in a movement akin to a "barrel roll". Want 25FPS? Turn it 25 times. It seems irritating at first, but once you get good at flipping the camera into the air and doing it, it becomes pretty second-nature. The hardest one is 23.976 - that took me a few tries.
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in camera slow-mo?

in camera slow-mo?

Stuart English said:
Yes that's exactly how it works. The Project Frame Rate sets the playback speed and timecode count. When in variable speed capture, the camera just stamps each new frame with the next available timecode. On playback everything falls into place as a proper 23.98p, 24p, 25p etc video clip with correct timecode and built in slow motion or speed up motion characteristics.
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stuart, are you speaking specifically of the post production phase (redcode raw in fcp for example) or playback in camera too? can we playback the slow motion shot we just did in camera (redcode or rgb) to verify it's speed/quality before we move on?

i did a search but terms like "playback" pull up just about every single thread.
 
Brook Willard said:
You have to press a button and then rotate the camera around the lens axis an exact number of times in 4 seconds in a movement akin to a "barrel roll". Want 25FPS? Turn it 25 times. It seems irritating at first, but once you get good at flipping the camera into the air and doing it, it becomes pretty second-nature. The hardest one is 23.976 - that took me a few tries.
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I'm working on converting a paint can shaker that you just program to do these manouvers as a preset. Think I can bring it in under 10k.
 
Brook Willard said:
You have to press a button and then rotate the camera around the lens axis an exact number of times in 4 seconds in a movement akin to a "barrel roll". Want 25FPS? Turn it 25 times. It seems irritating at first, but once you get good at flipping the camera into the air and doing it, it becomes pretty second-nature. The hardest one is 23.976 - that took me a few tries.
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Well that seems like a perfectly fine UI and very similar to some of the gymnastics that other camera's put the operator through. Now, just one question comes to mind. Using this interface, how does one set an interval recording period? Fractional barrel rolls?
 
Slow Motion

Slow Motion

wigby said:
stuart, are you speaking specifically of the post production phase (redcode raw in fcp for example) or playback in camera too? can we playback the slow motion shot we just did in camera (redcode or rgb) to verify it's speed/quality before we move on?
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Yes, playback in camera too Wigby...
 
Hi Stuart,

Thanks for that info, that's made it a whole lot clearer!

James
 
In terms of ramping, what i would like to see (although i will only be a limited user if a user at all) would be a knob that can pop in and out (like the knobs on the xl-1 that push-click in and out) and enables you to ramp from two defined frame rates. so say set the base frame rate to 24, and the max to 120. you could slowly (or fastly) ramp the speed up to 120fps...

you could, then, for example, shoot a long scene and without cutting ramp to slowmo for an unexpected event. it would be nice.
 
Who knows what magic the software wizards can come up with as far as a user interface, but I believe the camera body mechanicals were fixed some time ago. I think there are some assignable buttons, but I'm not sure that they're exactly what you mention, and it's a bit late to be adding dedicated knobs to the main body now. This does not rule out an external or third-party controller (connecting via USB? )

There is a separate controller called a "Red Supergrip" which is an external device with some buttons and a joystick, it might have software-selectable controls. Relatively little detailed info has been released about it.

(Note- I'm not associated with Red, this is just FYI as a summary of what I've read here before.)
 
ah yes an external control would be even better. The interface isn't important to me (the pros can figure that out). I would just hope we have the ability to do that somehow.
 
HI Stuart
If you have captured 90FPS in 2K on a 24FPS project then can you build smooth ramps between the nominal speed and the slo mo speed in any length in Red Cine?
 
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