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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

How to make money from internet distribution of movies?

Gavin Greenwalt said:
You win on the up and the downs.
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I don't think so. Diskspace costs money. Basically you have to do the same thing a low cost airline or hollywood does. The better movies have to finance the others and still need to generate a profit.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Easiest way to make money from internet distribution of movies?

Be the distributor. :D

You win on the up and the downs.
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Naw. Distribution = infrastructure costs

The easiest way to make money is to be in the advertizing/marketing side of things.

Why worry about hosting content, when you can have a client like Coke, and you go to an indie filmmaker and say, throw in 5 seconds of Coke billboards in the background and have everyone drink coke in the film. Here is a few thousand bucks and a pallet of coke. You pocket fat stacks.
 
karapetkov said:
I'd forget the words "sell" and "buy" regarding online distribution. :cool:

... But that's just me.

:)
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Exactly from the consumer level, with more and more people getting used to quality content for free without ads, from online sources, distributors and filmmakers need to find ways to get media consumers to WANT TO PAY SOMETHING for a product or services, be that a t-shirt of their favorite band or ultrafast download links without torrenting to avoid uploading.

Buying and selling still occurs at the marketing level tho.
 
Good point. You don't want to be in the infrastructure business... You want to be in the "Selling software to the distributor business".

:D Then even if everybody fails you still sell the software.

It's like those little video rental vending machines popping up. "How do you make money on a video vending machine? Sell the vending machine to some sucker."
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Good point. You don't want to be in the infrastructure business... You want to be in the "Selling software to the distributor business".

:D Then even if everybody fails you still sell the software.

It's like those little video rental vending machines popping up. "How do you make money on a video vending machine? Sell the vending machine to some sucker."
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What software are you going to sell for this? I see all the puzzle pieces laying about, CMS software is good/easy/cheap for frontends, BitTorrent and P2P software exists for distribution (commercial versions already in use by CNN and others)...

Its not the 90's anymore, you can't easily make a million bucks with code anymore, not with OSS and armies of motivated, unemployed coders surfing the web...
 
Greetings Gents, and nice to see you again Karapetkov! I discussed this with you last year. I have problems with the statement, "forget selling & buying", iTunes is up to two billion songs per year, and just sold their 200 millionth television episode. So the films red users make aren't worth anything to sell? or it's just east to walk into Coke and get a fist full of money because your actors are going to drink coke in your film? I'm just wondering if anyone could sell their films directly, and that people would pay a couple bucks to own them...
But I do appreciate the conversation !
 
Tom Fallon said:
Greetings Gents, and nice to see you again Karapetkov! I discussed this with you last year. I have problems with the statement, "forget selling & buying", iTunes is up to two billion songs per year, and just sold their 200 millionth television episode. So the films red users make aren't worth anything to sell? or it's just east to walk into Coke and get a fist full of money because your actors are going to drink coke in your film? I'm just wondering if anyone could sell their films directly, and that people would pay a couple bucks to own them...
But I do appreciate the conversation !
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True, one should not completely dismiss the model of creating media and having people pay you for the privileged (or right) to watch or listen to it, but relying on direct purchasing from the end user as a sole source of income is a great way to slowly wither away as the market evolves.

Sure iTunes is selling alot, but torrent sites, and other venues of "digital piracy" are providing so much more content...

Nor does anyone think that some indie kid with his moms camcorder can walk into Coke or Pepsi HQ and walk out with a briefcase full of euros (who wants dollars these days :P), but sure after he puts a trailer on youtube that gets 2million hits in a week, he could work a deal on Madison avenue....

I see the future of internet distribution of film being that of multifaceted revenue streams. No longer do content providers need to provide the same onesize fits all content package, allow for users to pick their format and recoup on your investment in a variety of ways, some of which are free to the consumer.

Do people want to buy HD films and get a physical product they can touch, not just data over a pipe? Yes, and those people will pay for it?
Do people want to content over a pipe? Yes. Some will pay for it (faster downloads, no ads...) and some want it for free (P2P distribution + ads).

There are so many more possibilities now than just theaters, rentals and sales, and the market needs to be explored by content producers, otherwise they will be taken advantage of (like torrent sites do now to the RIAA and MPAA, because they are unwilling to provide to the consumers what they want).
 
Tom Fallon said:
iTunes is up to two billion songs per year, and just sold their 200 millionth television episode.
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.. and they did that by couple their very successful iPod to iTunes. Costumers didn't had a choice. It's the same thing Bill Gates did with a crappy OS called Windows.

There are companies that could pull it of. But it's unlikely that an individual will succeed with this idea. If it works, someone else will do it and crash you with advertising you can't pay for. Google maybe, after they bought a few other companies. The dirty data octopus.

How about Red.com and throwing some projectors in, Jim Jannard?
 
Haha - I think I see you as one of the dancers, Karapetkov! Groove-On!
Yannick! Where's your subversive side? I was working on a Honeywell Main Frame
when Steve Jobs was stealing GUI and Bill Gates was pulling the wool over IBM's eyes!
There's room for everyone! No doubt that iTunes success was dependent on the iPod,
but the concept of paying for downloads was ridiculous in the Napster era of free everything. When all else passes, art alone endures!
 
And thanks for your thoughts, Noah! I agree that there will be thousands of ways for people to watch content over the pipe in the coming years, as the tv & pipe come together. Today, people watch millions of youtube videos, and google is finally peppering every bit of it with ads. I have a photobucket account I can barely see my content on behind all the ads. But the content creators with thousands of subscribers and no income need a place to go... anyone have any ideas where they can turn their fans into Euros? and dollars still come in handy down here in Florida...
I really appreciate the dialogue with you all - or y'all as we say down here...
 
noahvolek said:
Exactly from the consumer level, with more and more people getting used to quality content for free without ads, from online sources, distributors and filmmakers need to find ways to get media consumers to WANT TO PAY SOMETHING for a product or services, be that a t-shirt of their favorite band or ultrafast download links without torrenting to avoid uploading.

Buying and selling still occurs at the marketing level tho.
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Let the advertisers pay for everything. :reddevil:

There are other options too, me thinks. Subscriptions and such.

And we shouldn't forget that you need a decent Internet connection to be able to view content quickly and properly. And such connections cost money, so, it's never *really* free.

Tom Fallon said:
Greetings Gents, and nice to see you again Karapetkov! I discussed this with you last year. I have problems with the statement, "forget selling & buying", iTunes is up to two billion songs per year, and just sold their 200 millionth television episode. So the films red users make aren't worth anything to sell? or it's just east to walk into Coke and get a fist full of money because your actors are going to drink coke in your film? I'm just wondering if anyone could sell their films directly, and that people would pay a couple bucks to own them...
But I do appreciate the conversation !
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Hi again, Tom,

Well, for countries like the US and Western Europe, business models like these are still reasonable, I guess.

But, living in the Wild East, I can clearly see where things are going. Technologically, I see no way to stop the pirates, unless we become involved in Gestapo-like chasing of Internet users. And that's absurd.

What is more important? Human and civil rights or the profits of music labels and film distributors?...

You can have my answer now, if you like. :sifone:

Anyway, I think the Internet will not kill media distribution, on the contrary. It will just change things and I see glorious opportunities ahead.

Yannick Hagman said:
There are companies that could pull it of. But it's unlikely that an individual will succeed with this idea. If it works, someone else will do it and crash you with advertising you can't pay for. Google maybe, after they bought a few other companies. The dirty data octopus.
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You're probably right. But it can't hurt to try! :thumbsup:

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And yeah, you can never have enough funk music in your life...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jLGa4X5H2c&feature=related

:happyhappy:
 
I encourage you guys to do so. :) It's my job to show you the odds. If it were easy, someone would have done it already. The main problem I see is there is way too much content, that wouldn't hold up expections. You have to find someone who pays for that diskspace of junk.
 
I used to work as a DJ in a high end disco in 1979, hated the music at the time, but now its sooo much fun! I really appreciate pointing out the pitfalls, guys ! I was asked to work on a web series and went in search of a way for us to sell it online, and the ad-share streaming sites pay film-makers so little, I thought there was room for a new model. A friend of a friend shot a beautiful film, an airport documentary of all things, and it never made a dime. Then he found his market on the internet, pilots, and made 2 million bucks. Go Figure!
 
"Why worry about hosting content, when you can have a client like Coke, and you go to an indie filmmaker and say, throw in 5 seconds of Coke billboards in the background and have everyone drink coke in the film. Here is a few thousand bucks and a pallet of coke. You pocket fat stacks."

Response (from heaven).
 
Last.fm radio costs money since today in my country. 3$ per month.

If you want to buy a song you have to press their affiliate link that leads you to iTunes/Amazon.
A good example of how not to approach it.

I always wondered why they not simply negotiate with the labels and offer mp3 for their own site. They really work into the pockets of the competition. Byebye last.fm, the guys who bought you don't get the concept.
 
Tom Fallon said:
A friend of a friend shot a beautiful film, an airport documentary of all things, and it never made a dime. Then he found his market on the internet, pilots, and made 2 million bucks. Go Figure!
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"One Six Right"?

I thought he presold a bunch of copies of that while he was still in production. And he made that 2 million dollars without your website. Is there something your website would do for him that he couldn't do himself fairly easily?
 
So how much would it cost to store a film in HD and 90 minutes in lenght per month? And how expensive are the bandwith costs to download it per download?
 
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