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How to make money from internet distribution of movies?

karapetkov said:
What?! I just pointed it out. :blink:


(crumbles in tears shortly after...)
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That was mock anger:tongue: Just noting that you started this thread a long time ago, and now, what you suggested seems to have truly begun. You...you... VISIONISTA!:sorcerer:

edit: on second thought, I am a little pissed that I now will need a faster internet connection and probably a better monitor.:waaa:
 
Wow that IMDB thing is pretty cool. Commercials were a little annoying, though, in the middle of a feature film.
 
Tom said:
Wow that IMDB thing is pretty cool. Commercials were a little annoying, though, in the middle of a feature film.
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Tom, haven't viewed any of the movies yet... are the breaks long enough to go to the bathroom or the fridge?
 
I don't know... I just scrubbed through real quick and saw Army ads popping up.
 
I see the future of movie distribution taking the online path as the internet becomes the main communication infrastructure system (phone, TV, radio, internet, mail, news, game and movie distribution). Media will converge through a single pipe into peoples homes, giving more choice than ever.

There are two services that I see now that are doing great things. The first is Steam a game distribution service run by Valve (Half Life), and iTunes.

I think the new business model of film distribution will (should) be one that gives the viewer free choice.

Instead of relying on people paying you to A) see your film B) transfer a copy to them, give people the choice to see your movie for free and making money anywhere you can.

Primary revenue streams are going to be: advertizing, upselling content delivery, and selling loot.

So lets walk through a sample of how this could work...

Go to www.steelninjamovie.com.

You love ninjas and want to see the movie, so you click on a link that says, watch the movie. You have the choice of downloading the full film, including a PG-13 cut and a R cut, from the site. You can choose between a high speed free download or a paid highspeed download. The free download starts and the page plays the trailer for Steel Ninja that hypes the movie, the soundtrack, the merchandise and hard copies with extra features, below it is a list of other trailers you may want to watch while the film downloads.

The film downloads to your computer and you have already booked marked a few other films that may be of interest that you downloaded, and you start watching the movie.

The Steel Ninja does his thing on the silver screen, and there are no tasteless in your face ads at the beginning or in the middle. The only ads during the film are product placement ads, which are only done when the product is relevant to the film and character, but perhaps is more highlighted, like a product placement for a car, which the main character jumps into frequently in a stylish slow-mo, showing of the automobiles brand.

At the end of the movie, your left with a "wow that was a good movie" feeling, and so far you have given zero dollars to the makers of the film, although the made a bit of money (cover costs of website/bandwidth) from adverts. You decide that you liked the movie enough and would like to see a sequel that the ad at the end of the film for tie in product merchandise is worth a look, so you check out the store, see T-Shirts, Hats, books, comics, Blu-Ray, DVD and ninja stars. You order a hat, a comic and ninja star package, and get some sweet toys, and the movie maker makes a few bucks.

In a few years you do the same thing, watch the sequel, and say damn, these are great, and at the end you buy a box set of Blu-Rays for Steel Ninja.
 
Tom said:
I don't know... I just scrubbed through real quick and saw Army ads popping up.
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Probably about 30 seconds then... if I can keep the old prostate hummin' along, then I should be able to void my bladder in around 30 seconds. May have to do half-reliefs if the ads are short and just spaced out at closer intervals. May start drinkin' 6 oz root beers instead of the 12 ouncers.

Whatever they do, I'll adapt.
 
noahvolek said:
iTunes
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I'll be surprised if iTunes really opening it's doors to indie content the way Youtube and other services do. Jobs owns 10% of Disney and all his friends are Hollywood moguls. He could have integrated iTunes with Final Cut long ago. He could have opened iTunes to indie music long ago. They do have podcasts however.

I'm betting on Google to figure it out.

Or Jim.
 
number6 said:
Si, but in a capitalist way?
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Yes, cultured capitalism. :hippie:

Tom said:
Wow that IMDB thing is pretty cool. Commercials were a little annoying, though, in the middle of a feature film.
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Actually I cannot watch it for the moment, cause it's filtered for the Wild East... Not that I really need it :biggrin:, but... I just saw the announcement.

Is it HD? Or at least - a good SD?

There are commercial breaks inside the movie?! That's plain stupid, someone will capture it, cut out the ads and put it in pirateland. They have to do better than that.

noahvolek said:
The only ads during the film are product placement ads, which are only done when the product is relevant to the film and character, but perhaps is more highlighted, like a product placement for a car, which the main character jumps into frequently in a stylish slow-mo, showing of the automobiles brand.
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That's a great idea. Companies pay per viewer of the movie. Also, instead of commercial breaks [disgusting], one could put a logo of a product which silently appears in the lower right corner, or something. But that's a bit annoying, too.


joelnet said:
Or Jim.
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Yep. Very possible. It takes a man with resources and influence to shake things up and he's proven that he can do it. :)

REDCast? ;)

But he's a li`l busy right now, me thinks. :)
 
Rami said:
iTunes is opened to indies...

http://www.tunecore.com/

I tried once to put a song on iTunes and it works very well!.
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Tunecore looks like they've found a way around iTunes - that's cool. Do you know what the artist gets paid per track sold?

You're right about marketing being the most important thing though. I do think little indies can make their own way. Frankly, that's probably how the labels choose their next band and how Hollywood will choose which movies to buy in the future.
 
Tunecore looks like they've found a way around iTunes - that's cool. Do you know what the artist gets paid per track sold?
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Between 30% and 50% depending on many things (it's not bad). If you have time you can read he FAQ http://www.tunecore.com/index/faq#MoneyMatters

You're right about marketing being the most important thing though. I do think little indies can make their own way. Frankly, that's probably how the labels choose their next band and how Hollywood will choose which movies to buy in the future.
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I'd like things to go that way ;-)
But they don't!

10 years ago in the music industry (from where I come from) professionals didn't know how to react when digital affordable solutions came through.
Some thought digital was not as good as analogic.
And others just found that it was not better or worse... It was just different!
A new way of doing music. Today everybody (even Lenny Kravitz :tongue: ) goes digital !

Now 10 years later, problem is that too many people can afford a computer and a good music software... So (for exemple) what is the difference between an indie electro song and a Madonna's latest electro song? Answer is... Madonna of course!

I think you can make wonderfull indie movies with your Red One but :
- Don't forget people like movie stars (yes, they do...)
- Marketing is VERY important (If I don't know about your movie I'm not going to see it).
- Don't beleive you can make it alone (even with iTunes). Trust me when I say every Myspace artists you heard of (Lily Allen, etc...) are fake indies made by music industry.
 
Anyone still checking this thread?

Anyone still checking this thread?

I've been reading this for about a year, and have been building a self-distribution site during that time. The designs are mostly complete, and we're about to do the build-out, but my investor is hesitating.
I've felt for a while there was a gap between YouTube and iTunes, and that people should have a place to sell their films without getting "approved" by anyone. So I'm building it, and it will be called Youdio.
It will work like YouTube on the upload side.
It will work like iTunes on the download side.
It will have state of the art embedding tools so you can market your work through your existing social networks, directing friends and fans to your own web site, from which you can sell your films and connect with other film-makers and your audience.
Please take a look at our designs, http://www.grapetreedigital.com
Then if you'd give me your opinion here or at http://www.youdio.com
I'd be very grateful for your opinions and comments.
Thanks,
Tom Fallon - DGA AD
 
wow, karapetkov is back!

welcome back, buddy.
 
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