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How much is an operational Red camera cost?

Jim Arthurs said:
I'm pretty sure either a matte box + ND's or other ND method is a dead necessity with that high ASA rating if you ever want to shoot outdoors... so allow enough for a good selection of ND's in your chosen format.

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Yes, Jim has posted a warning about this. NDs are required, and you'll probably want to have a mattebox also.

Cheers,
Damien
 
PaulClements said:
You could put together a working RedOne camera for <$20k if you want to ($17,500 if you have the $2,500 allowance). I wouldn't.
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Let's see...

RED ONE - $17500
RED Brick - $450
RED Charger - $550
RED LCD - $1700
RED FLASH CF Module - $500
(1) CompactFlash card - $200
RED F mount (Nikon) - $500
Nikon 28-70mm f2.8 AF-S Zoom - $1400
TOTAL - $22,800
Minus $2500 allowance
GRAND TOTAL - $20,300

How would you make it cheaper? A used lens is the only thing I can think of. Everything else is the bare minimum.
 
Jaime Vallés said:
Let's see...

RED ONE - $17500
RED Brick - $450
RED Charger - $550
RED LCD - $1700
RED FLASH CF Module - $500
(1) CompactFlash card - $200
RED F mount (Nikon) - $500
Nikon 28-70mm f2.8 AF-S Zoom - $1400
TOTAL - $22,800
Minus $2500 allowance
GRAND TOTAL - $20,300

How would you make it cheaper? A used lens is the only thing I can think of. Everything else is the bare minimum.
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Well, just replace you $1400 lens by an excellent Nikon 50mm f1.4 which you can find for $100 and you're in at $19,000. Of course only having a 50mm lens would be quite limiting, but then so is a 17-35mm. The point being, as Paul Clements mentioned, you can do it, but he wouldn't, and neither would I.

Actually for below $20,000 I would suggest :

RED ONE - $17500
RED One Power Pack - $1450
RED LCD - $1700
RED Drive - $900
RED F mount (Nikon) - $500
Nikon 50mm f1.4 - $100
TOTAL - $22,150
Minus $2500 allowance
GRAND TOTAL - $19,650

At least you have two batteries and can record more than 4 min of 4k. There remains a problem, how do you attach the Red Brick and Red Drive, how do you hold the camera ? I think a Basic Prod. pkg is pretty much a requirement, making the concept of a below $20,000 unrealistic. However you could get a decent realistic setup below $25,000. For a realistic setup I think you need to include a mattebox and ND filters, and either a good zoom or more lenses.

Cheers,
Damien
 
RedOne - $17500
3rd Party Chinese Vlock Battery, Charger & Mount - $450
Blackmagic HDSDI to DVI Converter + 720p computer monitor - $600
RED FLASH CF Module - $500
8GB CompactFlash card - $200
RED F mount (Nikon) - $500
Nikon 18-135mm f3.5-5.6 - $240

Total = $19990 (Not including Allowance)

Like I say though, I wouldn't. For starters you have no follow focus so you would be having to focus using the lens, no mattebox so you would be confined to slr filters, you'd have no tripod, you would have to cradle the entire camera as you have no handles and the monitoring option would require a power source the whole time. At the very least I would add the Birger Mount, top handle and LCD to that, which would increase the price by about $2200 plus whatever the top handle cost. If you have the allowance though that ought to still be <$20k. Again, this is not a setup I would buy. I'd want better lenses, a decent tripod and fluid head, plenty of CF cards, the EVF, decent batteries etc etc. But for the sake of argument I thought I'd throw it in there :)

I could shoot a movie with this setup, would I want to... no.

Jaime Vallés said:
Let's see...

RED ONE - $17500
RED Brick - $450
RED Charger - $550
RED LCD - $1700
RED FLASH CF Module - $500
(1) CompactFlash card - $200
RED F mount (Nikon) - $500
Nikon 28-70mm f2.8 AF-S Zoom - $1400
TOTAL - $22,800
Minus $2500 allowance
GRAND TOTAL - $20,300

How would you make it cheaper? A used lens is the only thing I can think of. Everything else is the bare minimum.
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What is the deal with the $2500 allowance? Who gets it?

Thanks
 
If you were one of the first (x)-number of people that placed reservations last year. Something like that.
 
I'm interested in buying a basic kit, then building up on it afterwards.

At the moment I'm a HVX200 owner with Red Rock M2 adaptor, P2 store, 2x8gb P2 cards, Marshall HD monitor, Ronford F4 head with shorts and talls.

I'm thinking of selling this up next year (once we've finished a major project - http://www.pleasedsheep.com/bar_stewards_the_movie), and using the money I get from a couple of projects to get a Red. I've already got a collection of Nikons that I use with the RR M2. And I've got an Intel dual core Mac Pro, which I think should handle the Red footage okay (Final Cut Studio). I'll keep the legs and Ronford head, as they've served me well. I don't think the Marshall monitor will be enough to monitor sharps.

The only thing that puts me off (apart from being broke for a good few months till I recoup the money) is the potential wait, as I may get work during that time. I could hire during those months I suppose.

Basic Red kit, I'm thinking...

Red One body
Nikon F Mount
Red One Power Pack (2 batteries + charger + power cable)
Red LCD screen (if my Marshall HDA LCD won't cut it)
Red Drive 320gb

Thoughts anyone?
 
The allowance is for cameras 1-14xx (Anything before NAB 2007) as I recall, I am too lazy to search but I am pretty sure.

(The allowance is/was a reward to anyone who believed in the concept in the early stages)
 
CF cards seem to be a popular choice for storage. Any reason why over the RED drive? I would think you can hold more with the drive.
 
I am getting both. The RED drive will be good for
static situations where the camera is not moving.
That hopefully will be tested at the LART.
I know many HVX shooters who run around
with firestores and seem to record alright.
 
Jim Arthurs said:
I'm pretty sure either a matte box + ND's or other ND method is a dead necessity with that high ASA rating if you ever want to shoot outdoors... so allow enough for a good selection of ND's in your chosen format.

And of course, everything in between and beyond... the good thing about RED is that there are so many options... and don't forget those who might want to shoot windowed S16 or the like... then you're talking a different set of lens needs...
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Yes that is why I started a thread named "The complete Red package" a few days ago, but than some people on this forum acting very impolitly posting about the avrage annual income.
I wrote that the package need to be with a matte box a follow focus ND filters some ND filters grad and a Pola filter.
Than you need a head maybe a Ronford F-7 a set of legs with baby and Hi Hat and you need another monitor for the director and when you are shooting a commercial you will need another monitor for the customer.
About shooting 100 fps at 2K windowed you don't need S16 lenses you can use your 35 mm lenses but if you are renting lenses you can have S16 for less.
I would say the Red items will be somewhere between $30K to $40K than you need another $15K to $20K for accessories and than you need lenses.
With this you will end up with a package for a feature film in a low to a mid range budget. You can rent it if you want for some $1500 a week, depends on the market.
Of course one can settle for much less and with a good script and a good mind and eyes have a very well made film.
It is all depends what is your aim, like you are not going to buy a ford Fiesta if you need to ship potatoes to the market, you will get a truck.
 
Bokes said:
CF cards seem to be a popular choice for storage. Any reason why over the RED drive? I would think you can hold more with the drive.
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AFAIK, CF cards are currently the only option that is shipping. Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, the Red drive has not shipped yet.
 
In addition support gear such as a high end laptop software and some kind of external fw800 or Esata raid will be needed to backup in the field. Unless you really want to just carry the images which cannot be replaced on one hard drive???
Here look at current systems like Stwo for uncompressed recording. They work on immediately getting the info. into redundent forms, which will need to be worked out for RED Wavelet also.

Monitoring solutions for the director will be needed some kind of critical monitor for video village

Wireless solutions will be needed for Steadicam and other types of remote shooting ie underwater, or unreachable locations like in wall climbing. so the director etc. can somehow see the shots.
 
Bokes said:
CF cards seem to be a popular choice for storage. Any reason why over the RED drive? I would think you can hold more with the drive.
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Actually I would prefer CF cards. I'm used to using P2 cards with the HVX200 so I doubt this will be much different. The drive wouldn't be great for run and gun shoots, which I've done a few of over the past 6 months. I need to start reading up on what exactly can be fit on CF cards, and how big they go, suitability of data speeds, etc.

Brook Willard said:
To see the pros and cons of the various storage options, see the RED ONE FAQ - link's in my signature.
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That was a good read, thanks :)

tj williams said:
In addition support gear such as a high end laptop software and some kind of external fw800 or Esata raid will be needed to backup in the field. Unless you really want to just carry the images which cannot be replaced on one hard drive???
Here look at current systems like Stwo for uncompressed recording. They work on immediately getting the info. into redundent forms, which will need to be worked out for RED Wavelet also.
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Like I said above, I'm used to recording to data rather than tape. What we usually do is have two WD hard drives connected to a laptop (with PCMCIA slot), and we use one as the main offload drive, and another as a mirror. It's served us well over the past 18 months. Our only problem is archiving - at the moment all we can do is keep the hard drive in storage and spin it up now and again. Will be good when Blu Ray burners become cheaper and faster.
 
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