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Red One uses a SATA to compact flash card adapter, I see no reason on earth not to use the SATA cables and plug a SATA drive in DIRECT instead of the compact flash card...have a machine shop make a new cover for the side and install external SATA connectors...then use a smokin RAM drive that 's SATA.

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obin said:
Red One uses a SATA to compact flash card adapter, I see no reason on earth not to use the SATA cables and plug a SATA drive in DIRECT instead of the compact flash card...have a machine shop make a new cover for the side and install external SATA connectors...then use a smokin RAM drive that 's SATA.

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That makes sense to me since they probably kept cost down by using off the shelf tech in the camera when possible.
This next year will be fun with people modding cameras. I wish I could find an extra $30k in the sofa cushions to buy a new toy.
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The Lemo on the back of RED is already SATA + power. Just make an adapter without power. It's a stronger conection - made for the rigors of production.
 
Guys, this horse has already been beat to death on multiple occasions. It wasn't even a secret.... We've known the RED DRIVE port and the side-mount media option are SATA ever since we known those options would exist.

Many suggestions / options have been thrown around like a "sled" on the side of the camera instead of the CF module that could mount a standard SATA HDD. Yes, someone could probably rig that up on their own pretty easily too if they wanted. Personally, I'd go for the RED DRIVE interface myself. It's just eSATA + power over a LEMO cable. Do some testing to discover the pin-out of that cable and then I see no reason why other external storage options couldn't be attached. ...Oh, bjonsson already said that a couple posts back.

I bet that if anyone makes a good case to RED about what they want to attach, they could probably get the necessary info to make the right cable. Although, the only reason I see to do this would be to try and save money vs. buying a RED DRIVE. And that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me... RED DRIVEs are kinda pricey for two x 160GB 2.5" HDDs. But you have to figure that nice little enclosure and internal RAID system they have. That doesn't come cheap. Someone please show me a rugged external enclosure that's the same size of a RED DRIVE. And that also gives me internal RAID functionality, eSATA plus bus-powered USB 2.0, FW400 and FW800.

Currently, there are no single 2.5" HDDs that can handle RED data rates. The latest 200GB 7200rpm drives are close, but not quite there. Hence the need for a RAID-0 inside the RED DRIVE. As larger and faster drives come available, I can see the opportunity for the RED DRIVE to become a RAID-1 to add potential for redundant security. You could rig up something to run a 3.5" HDD off one of the camera's SATA connectors. But then you're going to be tethered to power or weighting yourself down with more batteries to run it.
 
One of the best selling accessories if they made it would be a lemo to standard sata connector for using the red drive as an esata drive, it would make backups so much easier. You would still plug the drive into AC power, we just need the lemo to Sata connector and we'll be set.
 
I am thinking RAM drive, not hard disk...we already have that!
 
I have seen the connection on the side. It's SATA with power - 100% standard computer parts.
 
kinobairn said:
One of the best selling accessories if they made it would be a lemo to standard sata connector for using the red drive as an esata drive, it would make backups so much easier. You would still plug the drive into AC power, we just need the lemo to Sata connector and we'll be set.
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FYI, I'm working on a design now for a user, it will be LEMO to eSATA.
 
obin said:
I am thinking RAM drive, not hard disk...we already have that!
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RAM drive in what sense? Using large FLASH modules or SSDs would be nice and it looks like RED will have that covered soon. Using actual RAM doesn't seem to be a great idea as it will offer very short record times compared to the cost of the RAM itself and would require continuous power until it could be off-loaded. There would still be the necessary off-load time to send that data out to a RED drive or other storage system.

The advantage to a RAM buffer would be for recording uncompressed. But once again, we're getting into the realm of very short record bursts and then down-time while the RAM is dumped. We are also confined within the limits of the onboard SATA interface and we don't know if it's 150MB/s or 300MB/s. I want to believe the latter. 4K 16:9 uncompressed RAW would be 13.5MB per frame. So even if the interface is 300MB/s, and you could perform a miracle and make it sustain that full 300MB/s while recording, it's still only capable of 22.2 frames per second.

Originally I was interested in uncompressed and the (now discontinued) RAW Port option for studio greenscreen work. But RED footage keys so cleanly as it is, I honestly don't see a need for it.

Even though the RAW Port would attach where the CF module goes, it did not connect via SATA. It was to be a factory installed option that connected to something else.

Didn't we already beat this RAM buffer discussion into a bloody pulp as well?

obin said:
I have seen the connection on the side. It's SATA with power - 100% standard computer parts.
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Yep, that's what they look like to me too. The only issue I see is how the camera itself handles attached devices. I'm thinking it sees a drive or CF module as a SATA storage volume. Swapping the CF module for a HDD or some other form of FLASH or RAM storage should appear no different to the camera, just different capacities.
 
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Someone please show me a rugged external enclosure that's the same size of a RED DRIVE. And that also gives me internal RAID functionality, eSATA plus bus-powered USB 2.0, FW400 and FW800.

Currently, there are no single 2.5" HDDs that can handle RED data rates. The latest 200GB 7200rpm drives are close, but not quite there. Hence the need for a RAID-0 inside the RED DRIVE. As larger and faster drives come available, I can see the opportunity for the RED DRIVE to become a RAID-1 to add potential for redundant security. You could rig up something to run a 3.5" HDD off one of the camera's SATA connectors. But then you're going to be tethered to power or weighting yourself down with more batteries to run it.
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http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-DRIVEQ.cfm.
I believe there's a raid 0 controller built into the chipset...there must be some kind of rugged enclosure available somewhere for this thing.....or just wrap it inside something that breathes
 
wshultz said:
There aren't any single SATA drives fast enough are there? Hence the need for the RAID.
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* Manufacturer's part number: MR25.1-128S
* Capacity: 128GB
* Form Factor: Standard 2.5", adapter available to fit 3.5" desktop
* Dimensions: Standard 2.5", 100(L), 69.85(W), 9.5(H) mm
* Interface: SATA
* Weight: 100 g
* Rated R/W Performance: 100MB/s read, >100MB/s write, .1ms access
* Rated IOPS performance: Read IOPS: >10000, Write IOPS: >800
* Enclosure: metal case
* Warranty: 5 years
* Price: $3,399

http://www.dvnation.com/nand-flash-ssd.html

Memoright 128GB SSD SATA -: http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/ca...emoright+2.5+128GB+SATA+SSD&exact_match=exact

Memoright 64GB SSD SATA - http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/ca...Memoright+2.5+64GB+SATA+SSD&exact_match=exact
 
Evolve said:
http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-DRIVEQ.cfm.
I believe there's a raid 0 controller built into the chipset...there must be some kind of rugged enclosure available somewhere for this thing.....or just wrap it inside something that breathes
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That's a single drive unit, holds one 3.5" SATA hard drive. No RAID. It can't be bus-powered off of FW800/400 OR USB. Not the same thing by a long shot.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume you meant this one http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-RAID-mini.cfm - the G-RAID mini. It's the closest thing that G-tech has to the RED Drive. Obviously it's not as rugged. It can only be bus-powered over Firewire and not USB2, no eSATA port. Of course, the SATA port on the RED Drive isn't currently user accessible without hacking together a cable, but that doesn't mean it isn't there and a factor in the cost. Also, for as much as they hype the G-RAID mini, it's still slow compared to a RED Drive, only guaranteed to sustain about 24MB/s. That's not fast enough for RED... The RED Drive can sustain ~38MB/s, which is what's needed for 4K REDCODE 36.
 
Dukeswharf,

Technically that's not a SATA drive in the same sense that wshultz was talking about. Hehe... Anyway, those look interesting. I wonder what SSDs are being tested by RED for the FLASH drive? Wonder what the final capacity and price will be for that thing? I'm really hoping for 128GB or higher and under $3600..
 
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