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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Helium squad

Peter, thank you for doing this! These 100% are amazingly crisp. It looks as if crop mode will truly rock with Helium. 4K @120fps will probably look amazing, too... I wish I could play with one.

I'd love to compare a 100% 4K Helium crop with down sampled dragon footage to find out what it relates to. What I mean is: how many K Dragon imagery do you need to down sample to 4K until you reach the quality of a 4K helium crop. ;)


My brother just told me that the Typhoon wasn't too bad in Tokyo. Glad, you guys are safe! 
So on too more Helium - hehehe!
 
LOL
Hope your wife likes the color of her new camera
What do you expect will be daily rental rate?
 
The Helium grain looks soo different to my eye.

Raven dark noise grain seems to dip into dark stops for longer. Helium seems to bounce-back to to higher brightness pixels sooner.

I wonder if VV8k oversampled to 4K would level up the playing field vs Helium 8k oversampled to 4K?

Incredible pics btw Peter. Thankyou for sharing (and hoping JL lends you a VV!)

AJ
 
Antony Newman said:
The Helium grain looks soo different to my eye.

Raven dark noise grain seems to dip into dark stops for longer. Helium seems to bounce-back to to higher brightness pixels sooner.

I wonder if VV8k oversampled to 4K would level up the playing field vs Helium 8k oversampled to 4K?

Incredible pics btw Peter. Thankyou for sharing (and hoping JL lends you a VV!)



AJ
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Would much prefer he "Lands" me a VV. '-)
 
Helium 8K Beijing, Mainland China Rental
 
Pater Majtan said:
The devil is in the details and details is where the Helium really shines. For the above comparison we have simply down-sized the 8K source to 4K and 2K respectively
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Peter, love the work! Really like the way you had done the sample (presentation) with HD, 4K and 8K zoomed in. Which scaler did you use?

Also, any BTS on how you shot some of the macro? Most curious on H018.
 
Dan Kanes said:
Is it too greedy to say I dream of a 16K VV Helium sensor :)
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Helium at 16K would be much larger then VV - at VV size Helium would be 11K (11222 px). Having said that - and based on what I have personally seen Helium footage looks like when down-scaled - an 11K VV Helium would make for an absolutely stunning 8K master footage. And before people say going beyond 8K is nuts - please remember that back in the days before DSMC1 came out - Jim hinted at this...:

RED_DSMC_concept_28K.jpg


:reddevil: Peter
 
Stacey Spears said:
Peter, love the work! Really like the way you had done the sample (presentation) with HD, 4K and 8K zoomed in. Which scaler did you use?
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I have used bilinear to minimise the "benefits" of the improvements that come with down-scaling. As Jarred pointed out (and I have mentioned as well in the comments bellow the graphic) - this still looks better then what the reality would be. Luckily - being based in Japan - I have access to all sorts of cameras. So I am getting hold of S35-seized sensors with both HD and 4K pixel resolution - so we can do true comparison against the Helium. I will then update the graphic accordingly...

Stacey Spears said:
Also, any BTS on how you shot some of the macro? Most curious on H018.
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To say that we were too close for comfort is an understatement. Luckily for us - these were just the ordinary wasps - around 2 cm long. Japanese hornets are much bigger (around 5 cm) and notorious for their aggression. I would be wearing full bee-suit and use smokers if I were to film the actual hornets. With the wasps - you just have to stay calm and don't make any aggressive / fast movements. I had literally wasp landed on my finger without me even noticing (I was mesmerised by the Helium's imagery LOL). It just took off after a while without inflicting any harm. Front of the lens (the great Sigma 105 macro) was about 10 cm from the hive and we used single 15x10 cm LED panel (hand-held by one of my colleagues) to add some light, as the nest was in a shadow under an overhang in our apartment building. Nothing high-tech...

:sifone: Peter
 
Peter Majtan said:
Helium at 16K would be much larger then VV - at VV size Helium would be 11K (11222 px). Having said that - and based on what I have personally seen Helium footage looks like when down-scaled - an 11K VV Helium would make for an absolutely stunning 8K master footage. And before people say going beyond 8K is nuts - please remember that back in the days before DSMC1 came out - Jim hinted at this...:

:reddevil: Peter
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Peter

I would agree that we can still go bigger. Downsizing is a huge plus, but there is already is a current need. Here is a larger then 8K still from a test that i'm prepping for a lets just say a rather GIANT screen. File is 8196X6144. These tests will be part of some of the first footage ever showing on the Evans and Sutherlands 8K Digester 8 Laser projector onto a Giant Screen.

Stitched 8K images to create a 4:3 8K image. Shot on Helium with a Sigma 120-300f2.8 from the Canadian side of the Niagara falls.

2WATER_GSCA_SMALL.jpg


Full file size

http://digitalcrossing.ca/2WATER_GSCA.jpg
 
Spent the day at Niagara Falls shooting some frame extension tests in prep for a big upcoming shoot. I'm amazed at everything about this camera. Straight out of the camera it looks amazing. Noise is so minimal.

Helium 8K with Canon 14mm/F2.8

KONG_A01_GSCA_SMALL.jpg


http://digitalcrossing.ca/KONG_LARGE.jpg
 
Anyone know how much the upgrade to the Helium Sensor from Forged Carbon will be?

I'm afraid to even ask
 
Peter Matjan said:
To say that we were too close for comfort is an understatement.
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Thank you Peter, that is exactly what I was curious about with the BTS question. I guess you did not power up the camera near them as the fan, at startup, might have riled them up. :)
Andrew Baik said:
Anyone know how much the upgrade to the Helium Sensor from Forged Carbon will be?
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The cost / upgrade price has not been announced yet. October is the launch, which is probably when all will be revealed. Only thing we know is that those that have already paid for the 8K VV upgrade will get the Helium at no charge, while they continue to wait for the VV upgrade.
 
Michael Dalton said:
Spent the day at Niagara Falls shooting some frame extension tests in prep for a big upcoming shoot. I'm amazed at everything about this camera. Straight out of the camera it looks amazing. Noise is so minimal.

Helium 8K with Canon 14mm/F2.8
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Pretty impressive looking, even on my run-of-the-mill home TV display. Can only imagine what this would look like on a giant screen.

Also, pretty amazed at the detail in the shadows in the Ripley's shot. Have you tried different OLPFs and are you seeing an advantage of changing them?
 
Elsie N said:
Pretty impressive looking, even on my run-of-the-mill home TV display. Can only imagine what this would look like on a giant screen.

Also, pretty amazed at the detail in the shadows in the Ripley's shot. Have you tried different OLPFs and are you seeing an advantage of changing them?
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Elsie,

No, this was just with the standard OLPF. I'll do some night stuff coming up, but not for the giant screen tests.
 
So cool. Congrats Joseph!

So... since I had a failed sale of a RED One MX body only I am now thinking of just keeping it now forever and painting it white and renaming it Vader since it is the father of all these cameras. Any suggestions on which paint I can use on that bad boy?
 
If anyone in LA area wants to try Kippertie OLPFS on their Helium, please let me know - I have the full set of strength 1 dsmc2 Kippertie diffusion OLPFS and a carbon 2 as well. You are free to test them out.

best Regards,

dan
 
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