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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

HDMI out Enabled?

Finally, I experienced that an HD-SDI monitor won't work either to see the menus (you only see the "preview" without any menu by default). You need to get access to a RED monitor, I went to a rental company that had one and I was able to activate the HDMI output as well as the menus on the HDMI output in a few seconds.
RED confirmed to me that when I will get my REDmote, I will be able in "local" mode to activate the output and menus on the HDMI output without any RED monitor.
Until now, it's been 4-5 days, the settings remains in place. Obviously, I just can't do a reset or a firmware upgrade.
 
I'm in the same boat right now. I don't have anything other than the brain and a HDMI monitor. I was hoping that I would at least be able to see something on the monitor when I started the camera up. It didn't matter to me to have any menus I just wanted a picture but it was not to be. Looks like I will have to wait on my side handle or redmote in order to activate the HDMI out.

I'm torn on whether or not to bite the bullet and get a Red Touch before March 1st.
 
Ben Coleman said:
I'm in the same boat right now. I don't have anything other than the brain and a HDMI monitor. I was hoping that I would at least be able to see something on the monitor when I started the camera up. It didn't matter to me to have any menus I just wanted a picture but it was not to be. Looks like I will have to wait on my side handle or redmote in order to activate the HDMI out.

I'm torn on whether or not to bite the bullet and get a Red Touch before March 1st.
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No rental house near U to let U to use a sidehandle or redtouch or redmote to set everything right?
It's just a few seconds, time for a coffee, maybe less..
 
Carmine Scalzi said:
No rental house near U to let U to use a sidehandle or redtouch or redmote to set everything right?
It's just a few seconds, time for a coffee, maybe less..
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Not that I know of. The next closest place to me that would have anything is about 2 hours away. That's what I get for being an innovator in the area, I'm on my own.
 
I don't own a scarlet yet, so maybe I say something stupid here..

Is it possible to put settings from another scarlet on your scarlet. Like you would update a firmware.
Then someone could upload settings with HDMI enabled. Just an idea.....
 
Dimitri Boschma said:
I don't own a scarlet yet, so maybe I say something stupid here..

Is it possible to put settings from another scarlet on your scarlet. Like you would update a firmware.
Then someone could upload settings with HDMI enabled. Just an idea.....
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But I think U should have a monitor to see what's going on, am I right? ... It couldn't be a blind procedure.
 
Just looked into the Firmware upgrade PDF ...theoretically you don't need a monitor to upgrade firmware. RED should just release a Firmware with defaults the HDMI output, then it should display HDMI.
Theoretically....
 
BLIND PROCEDURE WITH A SIDE HANDLE
Made on shipping build 2.0.5. Tell me if it works.
Use a Side Handle. No lens on, no Redmag SSD.

Power on


Press the MENU button


4 clicks to the right with the adjustment wheel


Press select


3 clicks to the right with the adjustment wheel


Press select


3 clicks to the right with the adjustment wheel


Press select


1 press with the right arrow


Press select


1 click to the right with the adjustment wheel


Press select


Press menu button 3 TIMES


1 click to the right with the adjustment wheel


Press SELECT 2 TIMES to power down


When you restart, the HDMI should be enabled with menus
 
Dimitri Boschma said:
Just looked into the Firmware upgrade PDF ...theoretically you don't need a monitor to upgrade firmware. RED should just release a Firmware with defaults the HDMI output, then it should display HDMI.
Theoretically....
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That is correct, you don't need any UI to perform a firmware upgrade.

Also, as of 2.0.8 (current Beta) we have introduced a force_preset feature which will allow you to apply a preset on start up. You can talk to your bombsquad rep about getting a preset that will enable HDMI with menus.
 
Björn Benckert said:
The HD coming out of that HDMI and SDI is a future standard not adapted by most monitors assesories out there of today. It's also very hard to convert the signal into something else. On this forum people wrote that the Black magic up/down/cross converter could reformat the signal into 60I or 50I but no, I bought it and let me tell you it does not work, it can only convert it down to 1280p and then that is an old standard that works on most monitors but then you lost the 1920.

So RED, please, please make the output 25p embedded in 50i possible.IT would mean so much for us.
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Björn - were you using the Black Magic 'Mini Converter SDI to HDMI'?

From the specs, that doesn't support an SDI input of 1080p60, or even 1080p25. It does support an input of SDI 1080PsF25 (which I believe is 25p encoded inside an interlaced 50i) which RED won't output.

Am I misreading something?

I'm having EXACTLY the same problem as you (but have not received my Scarlet) and it affects my entire workflow as I have a whole lot more connected to HDMI. This is a real deal breaker for me.

I may have found a solution?

This mini converter from Matrox seems to accept SDI 1080p 23.98/24/25/29.97/3050/59.94/60 and will output HDMI in formats that 'inexpensive hdmi displays' can accept.

http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/mc100/specs/

From their manual:
http://www.matrox.com/video/en/support/mc100/downloads/doc/release/?version=1.1

I can see that if the SDI input is 1080p24 that the HDMI output will be 1080p24.

I can read that with my Black Magic Intensity card, but ... I'm unclear on whether 'normal' HDMI monitors can.

My guess is that since BluRay players output real 1080p24 (at least, that's what my largest Sharp says it's getting), that 'normal' HDMI monitors may be able to read that (but cannot read 1080p60 as they wouldn't expect that).

I'm going to call Matrox during the day tomorrow, and hopefully this will work.

Please let me know what you think, as you've been dealing with this longer than I have, and are not doubt farther down the learning curve!!!

Thanks!
 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but I want to sum up where I think we're at now. HDMI is not enabled and at such time that it will be, it will be based on a future (meaning currently non-existent) standard? I was going to get a SmallHD DP4 to use as a finder and it uses HDMI. This gets back to the discussion in another thread about whether this $15,000 camera is finished yet. Others have said that it will take some time before the camera is "bomb-proof." I've been unclear on what this means but I'm reluctantly beginning to think it's Redspeak for "fully working."

I'm not trying to be overly critical. I just expect a fully functional motion picture camera. I can wait for, and look forward to, new functionality future firmware updates will bring; no problem with that. In my experience, a functioning, industry-standard HDMI out is expected from a camera, not something envisioned (to be accompanied by a dramatic sweep of the hand and gaze into the distance) for the future.
 
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Arnold F. said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I want to sum up where I think we're at now. HDMI is not enabled and at such time that it will be, it will be based on a future (meaning currently non-existent) standard? I was going to get a SmallHD DP4 to use as a finder and it uses HDMI. This gets back to the discussion in another thread about whether this $15,000 camera is finished yet. Others have said that it will take some time before the camera is "bomb-proof." I've been unclear on what this means but I'm reluctantly beginning to think it's Redspeak for "fully working."

I'm not trying to be overly critical. I just expect a fully functional motion picture camera. I can wait for, and look forward to, new functionality future firmware updates will bring; no problem with that. In my experience, a functioning, industry-standard HDMI out is expected from a camera, not something envisioned (to be accompanied by a dramatic sweep of the hand and gaze into the distance) for the future.
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You're a little off. HDMI isn't enabled to start with, but if you only have an HDMI monitor, RED support can get you a flash of the firmware that enables it to start.

The 1080p60 is not a 'future standard', but part of the HDMI specification.

However, not all devices implement all of the specification.

There's some disagreement as to how many HDMI monitors will display 1080p60. The gentleman I responded to had trouble with his.

For consumer monitors, or older monitors, unless there are 1080p60 signals coming out of BluRay players, why exactly would they as I can't list any 1080p60 output devices off the top of my head?

This doesn't mean the camera is not 'finished'. Even though the firmware is in beta, it's pretty feature complete, and frankly - pretty amazing!!!

But, at least in my humble opinion, as RED sees the need to support 1080p24/25/etc. in SDI, I'm hoping that RED will support these for HDMI - as it directly affects the professional HDMI capture devices (Black Magic Intensity, Matrox MX02) that I own, as well as many others.
 
Thank you for the clarification, Les. I'll check with SmallHD to make sure the device I wish to use as an EVF (their DP4) supports 1080p60.

Les C. said:
You're a little off. HDMI isn't enabled to start with, but if you only have an HDMI monitor, RED support can get you a flash of the firmware that enables it to start.

The 1080p60 is not a 'future standard', but part of the HDMI specification.

However, not all devices implement all of the specification.

There's some disagreement as to how many HDMI monitors will display 1080p60. The gentleman I responded to had trouble with his.

For consumer monitors, or older monitors, unless there are 1080p60 signals coming out of BluRay players, why exactly would they as I can't list any 1080p60 output devices off the top of my head?

This doesn't mean the camera is not 'finished'. Even though the firmware is in beta, it's pretty feature complete, and frankly - pretty amazing!!!

But, at least in my humble opinion, as RED sees the need to support 1080p24/25/etc. in SDI, I'm hoping that RED will support these for HDMI - as it directly affects the professional HDMI capture devices (Black Magic Intensity, Matrox MX02) that I own, as well as many others.
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Sorry to revive his topic but .... is there a way to enable the HDMI port on the Scarlet X without the RED monitor (running old firmware, haven't upgraded it in at least 4 years)? I damaged the LEMO port on the camera so I can't access the menus using the Red monitor. I have the side handle though and an external HDMI monitor. I tried the "blind procedure" listed below but it didn't work.
 
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