Hawk V-Lites

[Kemalettin Sert]

im seeing lots of big budget movies being shot on V-Lites+Alexa lately is this new trend in Hollywood now?
there is only one anamorphic lens set in Turkey and they are Hawk V-Lites honestly rental company did worst investment ever.Only few days rented in 2 years...

 

[Christopher Probst]

They wanna sell them?

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

They wanna sell them?

will ask them...remember you shot feature and music video with Hawk V-Lites right?

 

[Christopher Probst]

Yes, I shot one feature on them. I shoot the older Hawks as well... Also if you could please find out what focal lengths they have in their set...

 

[Björn Benckert]

I'm also willing to take them of their hands. Odd that they do not rent, they should as they are in short supply since alexa 4:3 and hawks tend to fly all over the planet.

Is it those guys?

http://www.facebook.com/cineparkfilm/page_map

http://cinepark.com.tr



A tip for them to get them out more would be to list these Hawks on their webpage and maybe also do a version of the web page in english. As it looks now they got a little side note on their facebook page...

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

I'm also willing to take them of their hands. Odd that they do not rent, they should as they are in short supply since alexa 4:3 and hawks tend to fly all over the planet.

Is it those guys: http://www.facebook.com/cineparkfilm/page_map

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yes Good find Bjorn they have only and one anamorphics (maybe best) in the middle east area..too bad nobody shoots anamorphic in Turkey there is only one movie in entire turkish cinema history shot on anamorphic.(DP' was american)
Coming back to my question why people prefer V-Lites over Panavision Primos? Rodrigo Prieto used these The Wolf of Wall Street and Argo..

 

[Will Keir]

I'd also be interested in the set, please e-mail if you get a price.

Speaking of wide shots. What lenses do you think they used in this video? It's gotta be 4:1

 

[Christopher Probst]

Will, just how many sets of lenses are you actually going to buy? Is it master primes, leicas, K35s, V-Lites? Stick with a program mate, I call first dibs bitches.

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

Will its alexa and V lites http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rghH6QlT5a0

 

[Björn Benckert]

yes Good find Bjorn they have only and one anamorphics (maybe best) in the middle east area..too bad nobody shoots anamorphic in Turkey there is only one movie in entire turkish cinema history shot on anamorphic.(DP' was american)
Coming back to my question why people prefer V-Lites over Panavision Primos? Rodrigo Prieto used these The Wolf of Wall Street and Argo..

The V-lites comes also with a 1.3 squeeze making a 16:9 full sensor into a full 2:35 frame. Thats one reason.

The second reason is is probably that panavision demands you to use also their cameras... and the third reason, what lenses looks cooler than this:

http://www.filmanddigitaltimes.com/...0/HAWK_V-Lite_Vintage74_lenses-group-of-5.jpg


Joke aside, I do not understand how any big feature can be shot on spherical lenses when there is good anamorphics around.

 

[Kemalettin Sert]

ones i tested in here were black V-Lites (2X) dont know whats the difference between white ones

 

[Christopher Probst]

The white ones have reduced coatings to make them flare more like vintage lenses. They call the white set Vintage '74s. They are V-Lites, but you have to buy a whole separate set if you want the reduced coatings.

 

[Björn Benckert]

I'd also be interested in the set, please e-mail if you get a price.

Speaking of wide shots. What lenses do you think they used in this video? It's gotta be 4:1

Thats 2x anamorphic full frame 16:9 sensor.

 

[Mike Garrick]

OK I've I've chanced on this thread....... as a Producer/Director I'm out of my depth here ...totally.

Can someone kindly educate me as to the benefit of using ano's as opposed to simply cropping the frame to the desired aspect ratio. Yes I get why Ano's were used in the early days . Yes I understand "cropping" is throwing a whole lot of pixels in a bin, but given a modern high end digital camera like RED with resolution to burn ...is this problem ?

Thanks in advance for your patience with a newbie on this topic.

P.S. Bjorn's point 3 is a dam powerful argument for Ano's . lol ; )

 

[Andy White]

OK I've I've chanced on this thread....... as a Producer/Director I'm out of my depth here ...totally.

Can someone kindly educate me as to the benefit of using ano's as opposed to simply cropping the frame to the desired aspect ratio. Yes I get why Ano's were used in the early days . Yes I understand "cropping" is throwing a whole lot of pixels in a bin, but given a modern high end digital camera like RED with resolution to burn ...is this problem ?

Thanks in advance for your patience with a newbie on this topic.

P.S. Bjorn's point 3 is a dam powerful argument for Ano's . lol ; )

It's a big topic - some love Anamorphic and others don't.

Ana's create a certain look/flavour and style. You'll get ovular bokeh and more flares (not just the overused blue horizontal flare) and a generally more organic feel to the footage.

Also, in terms of lenses and shot composition, a 35mm (for example) gives a 35mm vertical FOV and 17.5mm on it's horizontal FOV. So you get unique framing and compositions that can only come from Anamorphic lenses due to the 2X stretch horizontally. If you're cropping/hard matting to get a similar shot, you're only working with one parameter... so emulating Ana is difficult.

It's all about a visual style IMO. With Ana's you'll be composing the shot, and it's unlikely you'll want to crop/reframe in post (unless you have to).

 

[Björn Benckert]

It's a big topic - some love Anamorphic and others don't.

Ana's create a certain look/flavour and style. You'll get ovular bokeh and more flares (not just the overused blue horizontal flare) and a generally more organic feel to the footage.

Also, in terms of lenses and shot composition, a 35mm (for example) gives a 35mm vertical FOV and 17.5mm on it's horizontal FOV. So you get unique framing and compositions that can only come from Anamorphic lenses due to the 2X stretch horizontally. If you're cropping/hard matting to get a similar shot, you're only working with one parameter... so emulating Ana is difficult.

It's all about a visual style IMO. With Ana's you'll be composing the shot, and it's unlikely you'll want to crop/reframe in post (unless you have to).

The big difference exept for artifacts (that me and many others like) is that your virtual sensor size when shoting 5k ana becomes like:

6592x2700

Even though you do not have that amount of pixels (you only get half) the virtual sensor size in mm gets twice as big as 5k ana wich is far bigger than 5KFF so basically any one that likes large format cameras should like to shoot anamorphic. Especially since most people are doing a down sample or cropping from 5k FF for their masting.

 

[Will Keir]

Well there not all for me personally.

Will, just how many sets of lenses are you actually going to buy? Is it master primes, leicas, K35s, V-Lites? Stick with a program mate, I call first dibs bitches.

 

[Will Keir]

Does this also mean, like larger format cameras, there is even shallower DOF with Anamorphics?

any one that likes large format cameras should like to shoot anamorphic. Especially since most people are doing a down sample or cropping from 5k FF for their masting.

 

[Will Keir]

Speed perhaps? What's the fastest anamorphic, T2.8?

Also, for vFX work, do the VLights resolved edge to edge 200lm/mm?

Joke aside, I do not understand how any big feature can be shot on spherical lenses when there is good anamorphics around.

 

[Andrew Ceperley]

Panavision has their Super High Speed Anamorphics and JDC and others made anamorphics with a T stop of 1.3 and 1.4 back in the 70's and 80's...BUT...I've used a few sets of these...and that stop is unusable.