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Hasselblad vs RED Epic for stills.

Jarred Land

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Very interesting comparison that Peter Hurley did over at Lee Morris's F Stoppers. Obviously there is a native resolution difference, ( 14.4 vs 22mpix ) but the results are worth watching.

http://fstoppers.com/hasselblad-vs-red

 
Nice post! Thanks Jarred.
 
It's very close to the image quality of a hassy, and goes to show why we need a flash trigger for the RED. Would help us photographers out a lot. Like Peter Hurley said, it feels awkward at times.
 
Really enjoyed the video... it seemed balanced, open, and honest. Obviously each method has pros and cons, but it does show the viability Epic has for the creative user.

The one thing this overlooks, however, is that the "shooting motion for stills" approach only works with continuous lighting. Many photographers use strobes at levels that would cook their subjects if they were outputting that power continuously. It's my understanding that RED will have compatibility with flashes to enable it as more of a still-mode type camera in the future, but this video was specifically about pulling frames from a video stream to use as images. There are situations where that type of shooting is just not possible lighting-wise.

With that in mind, it was fun to watch and I really liked how excited he seemed to get when the lightbulb of potential went off as he was playing with the images in REDCINE.
 
Couple of interesting points he made:

Longer workflow: I'd never really considered this for post time but I guess it makes sense in his setting. For me, scrubbing through the timeline is quite a fast process and finding the right still only takes a really short amount of time. I actually love the flexibility. It means you find moments that you didn't even know occurred while shooting, and it ensures that you don't miss that actual moment you were planning on capturing.

Cost: Peter mentioned that the EPIC kit he was using was worth about 80k. What I found interesting is that for Peter's purposes, a scarlet shooting at 12fps in 5k would fill his needs just as much as an EPIC would. Being that he's not looking for slow-mo and is only looking to pull stills and not motion from the footage he shoots, there is already a lower priced entry point as an option :)
 
A half press of the shutter marking a still will go a long way towards addressing his concern of not knowing where the perfect still is. All you would be doing is looking at your marked stills in REDcine-X and moving a few frames to the right or left if it is slightly off.

Great vid, congrats RED!
 
Yes but . . . a Canon 1DX with the Broncolor Scoro S shoots continuous 12fps/Raw/AF/strobe which, if frame doubled in post, could be a 24fps movie ; - )

I have both the Phase iQ180 and an Epic and never have to question which to take out of the bag for a given project.
 
Justin O'Neill said:
A half press of the shutter marking a still will go a long way towards addressing his concern of not knowing where the perfect still is. All you would be doing is looking at your marked stills in REDcine-X and moving a few frame to the right or left if it is slightly off.

Great vid, congrats RED!
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Color me weird, but I can't wait until we have the ability to shoot or mark one frame!
 
Brad Allen said:
Couple of interesting points he made:

Longer workflow: I'd never really considered this for post time but I guess it makes sense in his setting. For me, scrubbing through the timeline is quite a fast process and finding the right still only takes a really short amount of time. I actually love the flexibility. It means you find moments that you didn't even know occurred while shooting, and it ensures that you don't miss that actual moment you were planning on capturing.

Cost: Peter mentioned that the EPIC kit he was using was worth about 80k. What I found interesting is that for Peter's purposes, a scarlet shooting at 12fps in 5k would fill his needs just as much as an EPIC would. Being that he's not looking for slow-mo and is only looking to pull stills and not motion from the footage he shoots, there is already a lower priced entry point as an option :)
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Great point, and he didn't need to use that lens either.. Any canon glass would have done well.
 
Nice
 
i love the idea of having a motion camera shoot stills, and i really like Reds boldness with their tech. i would more than happily buy a epic if it really could do my job.

but in so many ways, the epic isn't up to a commercial or advertising shoot.

1/ the frame format is impractical when there are different formats that an image needs to be used. 35mm based cameras like the canon has this problem as well, the more "squarer" format of medium format is better.
2/ there is no flash connector working (unless they have got it going)
3/ what is the flash sync? the hassleblad is 800th with flash.
4 / 14mp really isn't enough. 22mp of my canon 5dmk3 isn't enough for most of my work. i still need to shoot top plates and side plates for most jobs. try cropping that 14mp horizontal shot into a vertical- I'm guessing you will only have 6-7mp.
5/ the small format doesn't have anywhere the look of a full frame format at f2.0. maybe with some extremely fast lens on the epic might get close, but theres a look that it won't nail. (i shoot 35mm alongside p65+ and they look heaps different).
6/ the stills button wasn't even going the last time i looked.

the problem with this test is that it really doesn't test anything..

1/the hasselblad 22mp is an absolute dinosaur, its 10 years old and way out of date. people have been shoot 60mp and 80mp for years.
2/ who can tell a shot on a little print like that. blow those files up to a shop display size and see how that 10 tear old tech compares with 14mp.
3/ because of the format, more res will be cropped more often with the epic.


i wish red would stop promising cameras and features for markets when they aren't ready yet. Please get the stills thing actually sorted, and i really want to buy one (an epic is cheaper than a iq180!). Its definitely the future, but its really vaporware at the moment. a few publicity magazine shoots with reds doesn't make a professional camera.

IMO

paul
 
that one button marker is the way to do it. Thats getting closer and closer.


About the strobes.. We are finding more and more photographers are using HMI's... Profoto is even coming heavy into that market.. Briese has lived there for along time.

That said.. we do have the Xsync port on the handle.. someday that will actually do something.
 
I may be beating a dead horse on this one but this is exactly why the "stills" feature on the side handle needs to get to work and its hands dirty.
 
Joe Taylor said:
I may be beating a dead horse on this one but this is exactly why the "stills" feature on the side handle needs to get to work and its hands dirty.
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+1, that is such an exciting feature of the Epic to have separate setting for stills and just switch over to that setting by switching into stills mode. That will be awesome. Also the marker function for when shooting video will be amazing and speed things up tremendously.
 
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