GibCor's Top Secret RED 4K 3D Shoot

[Steve Gibby]

So, maybe I missed it the info but...I live in LA - Where is this happening? When a date is locked down will a new thread be created so that we can easily be clued-in?

Can't release that yet. As we get closer to the screenings, and we're sure we can have the second screening, we'll post info on a new thread here on RED User.

Gonna be fun!

 

[albert rudnicki]

Where would be the best place to learn about the production and post production setup with 3d content?
I have ordered a second cam with that intention.
Thanks
Albert
www.yayofilms.com

 

[Phil Becque]

Well I go away for a few weeks (my daughter just got married and had her reception in India) and it's RED 3D in 4K!! Way to go Gibby and Ken!!

Hearty congratulations to everyone involved with the project; it's just sounds totally awesome! I sure this will signal the start of a sea change (no pun intended Ken) in commercial 3D productions. I have no real idea about all the post work required to get the 3D image to pop out at the viewer but I can't wait to see it!!

I do hope everything goes well with your A-listers; you need big backing to get this off the ground and fortunately you have the collective talent to pull this kind of thing off! I'm really pleased for you all. It must seem like a dream come true! But then of course you had that dream in the first place - so well done - well done!

Let me know if you are coming over to the UK and we'll have a beer or two! I'm buying . . . .

All the very best to you both. Phil

 

[Steven Parker]

That's fantastic, guys! Best of luck...

and YES there is definite interest in a LA screening:biggrin:

 

[Jonathan Payne]

Gibby: Wonderful! I look forward to it!

 

[chuck colburn]

How about this pardner.....

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/videoedsys/revfeat/video_return_duke/

 

[David Limpus]

Gibby,

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.

David

 

[jbeale]

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.

I don't know if inter-ocular distances for 3D work are typically set for natural spacing, or wider for exaggerated 3D effects, but try this- measure the distance between your two eyeballs- for me it's about 65 mm.

How could I shoot natural-looking 3D with two Red cameras side by side? The red body alone is 132 mm wide and you'll need several more cm at least for the side cable access.

 

[chuck colburn]

I believe, (if I remember right) that a side by side configuration results in too large of an interocular distance.

 

[Proteus]

Any chances of explaining why a beam-splitting rig over a side by side one.
David

A beam splitter is used to let you choose a smaller interocular distance than what a side by side camera placement would allow, like 6.5cm as is the average human, or even smaller down to zero (2d). Its main drawback is that you can't use a very wide lens and it makes the total system larger and more awkward. Also the image in the upper camera is recorded flipped horizontally and it acts as a permanent one stop ND filter (not important for RED).

 

[David Limpus]

If it was possible to obtain a 2K frames from the two red one's on there sides would this be closer to the interocular distance? I just have not seen a measurement from the centre of the pl mount to the highest point on the body of the camera. This removes the side by side connector problem, reduces the rez but if RED made the 2K windowing available to be sideways and at 72 fps it would be interesting to compare.

 

[Proteus]

If it was possible to obtain a 2K frames from the two red one's on there sides would this be closer to the interocular distance? I just have not seen a measurement from the centre of the pl mount to the highest point on the body of the camera. This removes the side by side connector problem, reduces the rez but if RED made the 2K windowing available to be sideways and at 72 fps it would be interesting to compare.

The 2k windowing to the side would have asymmetrical distortion caused from the lens which would damage badly the 3D perception, so it can't be done this way.

Also you'd have to crop the image to adjust the "window" in post and thus reduce further the 2k resolution (vs 4k).

EDIT: Add to this, the doubling of the focal length too!

 

[Ryan Sims]

Mirrors

Mirrors

I think you could shot great 2K 3D images with a single RED. There are many methods. 3D is not new technology. I've done things like this before with mirrors for still photography and SD video 20 years ago.

Check out this guys website: http://www.hineslab.com/MirrorStereo.html

If you want 4K 3D, then your gonna need 2 RED cameras.
Just remenber that RED's 2K is better than 1920x1080p HD video. Mirrors can allow for a small single-camera 3D rig with no genlock issues.

 

[chuck colburn]

I know about "Hines labs" ( see the CP-65 cameras) what does this have to do with "single camera 3-D shooting")

http://www.hineslab.com/StereoCam.html

ooops you said two cameras

sorry

 

[Ken Corben]

Well... there was a bit of an anticlimax because I got the eyes mixed at first, so it was pseudo-stereo. Kinda weird hearing a room of previously quiet people yelling "PSEUDO!" Not a normal crowd call. : )

A quick flip of layers in SCRATCH, and "poof" - stereo.

I wasn't going to tell that story - I was stoked you knew the right buttons to push to get it right - very impressive SCRATCH demo.

 

[Steve Gibby]

Where would be the best place to learn about the production and post production setup with 3d content?
I have ordered a second cam with that intention.
Thanks
Albert
www.yayofilms.com

There's a learning curve in getting your head around 3D. I'm just in the middle of that learning curve, but I've hooked up with other professionals who are experts in it. My best advice to you would be to do a lot of online tech board searches on 3D, find guys who are interested in it, and form alliances with them.

Contact me offline via PM and I'll give you some more ideas on this...

 

[Ken Corben]

More great news on the RED 4K 3D front coming this week. From what I know the RED camera is opening doors to productions Jim may have never thought of thanks to our talented and creative team.

Great Stuff!

 

[husakm]

one camera is not a good idea ...

one camera is not a good idea ...

To use one camera is a bad idea from following reasons :clown2: :
- you lose resolution
- you can not adjut interocular distance
- your zoom range is limited
- most of the optical attachment produce side effect (vigneting, image look disparity due to polarization ....)

 

[Terry Delahunt]

A quantum leap in 3D production and stereographic post-production from a tapeless workflow, resulted in a successful 3D test shoot and screening on Saturday, September 1st . Producers Steve Gibby and Kenneth Corben of GibCor, teamed up with their 3D production partners Max Penner and Tim Thomas at Paradise FX to produce one of the first stereo 3D shoots originated with RED 4K cameras.

Very exciting!! Well done guys! Thanks for letting us in on this. Look forward to learning more. (Could you post a slightly larger photo of the set up - showing the two RED's?)

Thanks!