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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Getting Ready to Make Leap to DaVinci Resolve Studio -- NLE Comparisons Appreciated

Marc Wielage said:
Sure it does. I have Boris BCC Continuum, Tiffen DFX filters, Genarts Sapphire, plus the dozen or so OFX plug-ins they give you for free in 12.5. OFX plug-ins work great, and that goes for color and transitions. I haven't tried them, but I also have all the iZotope RX Advanced audio plug-ins, and they do show up in the audio menus.
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Thanks Zeb and Mark. My response was unqualified. If you have a ton of free or purchased ubiquitous Adobe plug-ins, these will not work in Resolve unless they are OFX and support Resolve explicitly as the host. OFX plug-ins tend to slightly be more expensive as a cost factor in migrating to Resolve.
 
M.Halsell said:
Thanks Zeb and Mark. My response was unqualified. If you have a ton of free or purchased ubiquitous Adobe plug-ins, these will not work in Resolve unless they are OFX and support Resolve explicitly as the host. OFX plug-ins tend to slightly be more expensive as a cost factor in migrating to Resolve.
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That is very true. But I would also point out there are Avid-specific plug-ins that only work in Avid, and also FCPX plug-ins that only work in FCPX. So this is a standard issue. At least the OFX plug-ins generally have versions that will work in quite a few different applications, so the industry is leaning towards more open standards.
 
The new direction with plugins now is Matchbox Shaders. The same effects work in any software, that supports Matchbox shaders. For example, effects, that work in Flame are now will be working in Baselight. All those effects are written by the users and they are selling them for just a few dollars with many being free.
https://logik-matchbook.org
OFX is so yesterday...
 
While on the subject of plug-ins, what are you guys using for de-noiseing plugins that work with Resolve 12.5? I saw one mention of Neat.
 
Joe Taylor said:
While on the subject of plug-ins, what are you guys using for de-noiseing plugins that work with Resolve 12.5? I saw one mention of Neat.
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Some on this forum are not a fan of DaVinci or Neat. They suggest that in order to get professional level Noise Reduction results you should switch computer platforms, NLE brand, possibly physical location, quit your job, get a new wife and for sure cancel your citizenship and switch religions . . . then use some Linux box that was assembled by a Norwegian mountain man running an OS only he knows how to boot with Noise Reduction software you never herd of . . . I'm looking at you Jake ;-)

Mainstream is for losers brah!
 
Zeb B said:
Some on this forum are not a fan of DaVinci or Neat. They suggest that in order to get professional level Noise Reduction results you should switch computer platforms, NLE brand, possibly physical location, quit your job, get a new wife and for sure cancel your citizenship and switch religions . . . then use some Linux box that was assembled by a Norwegian mountain man running an OS only he knows how to boot with Noise Reduction software you never herd of . . . I'm looking at you Jake ;-)

Mainstream is for losers brah!
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Speaking of staying mainstream Zeb.
You're the one running around with some very exotic toys- Monochrome Dragon, Summicron-C Leica, Angēnieux zooms, Canon К35 etc, while spending ton of money on Mac/Resolve rig for an inferior product and you're wondering what you're doing wrong? I don't see you using Lomo and Nikon lenses. I wonder why?
Seriously, you're railing against something, that you never even heard of, let alone use...
 
You funy. Sold all that gear and moved on. Just a hack having fun making purdy pictures now
 
Zeb B said:
Some on this forum are not a fan of DaVinci or Neat. They suggest that in order to get professional level Noise Reduction results you should switch computer platforms, NLE brand, possibly physical location, quit your job, get a new wife and for sure cancel your citizenship and switch religions . . . then use some Linux box that was assembled by a Norwegian mountain man running an OS only he knows how to boot with Noise Reduction software you never herd of . . . I'm looking at you Jake ;-)

Mainstream is for losers brah!
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LOL you guys must be the best of friends. I see your conversations about Nucoda everywhere on this forum
 
Brody_B said:
LOL you guys must be the best of friends. I see your conversations about Nucoda everywhere on this forum
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Just having a bit of fun. Jake is a very accomplished colorist and knows his shit. To learn some good stuff, listen closely to him . . . even when he's grumpy ;-)
 
Zeb B said:
Jake is a very accomplished colorist and knows his shit. To learn some good stuff, listen closely to him.)
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Will do. So Jake, I'm an admitted noob when it comes to de-noising footage in the professional world. You may not even use that term. But can you share some insight on tools of the trade that you use?
 
Joe Taylor said:
Will do. So Jake, I'm an admitted noob when it comes to de-noising footage in the professional world. You may not even use that term. But can you share some insight on tools of the trade that you use?
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For noise reduction without any compromises I use DVO Clarity. It's the only noise reduction tool, that I know, that is fully automatic and is intelligent enough to know the difference between texture and noise. It doesn't affect sharpness and it doesn't work by softening the blue channel, like some others. Said that, for more severe cases I use another noise reduction tool called DVO Grain, which is more akin to Neat Video. DVO tools are supported by pretty much any Digital Vision products, such as Nucoda, Look, Phoenix and most important Loki, which allows an automated workflow, that can be used by any software over the network. Loki Automation goes even a step further by allowing to use DVO tools though the web browser. And, no DVO tools are not cheap. But quality always cost more...
 
Zeb B said:
Some on this forum are not a fan of DaVinci or Neat. They suggest that in order to get professional level Noise Reduction results you should switch computer platforms, NLE brand...
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Not necessarily. The built-in noise-reduction within Resolve is actually not that bad, and they just improved it quite a bit in Resolve 12.5. If you want to spend the $250 for Neat, it will produce somewhat better results but at a significant penalty for render time. The great thing about Neat is that it has a lot of very tweaky adjustments available, so that (for example) if you wanted to have different amounts of NR for blacks rather than whites, it's easy to dial that in.

Video noise reduction has been around since at least the 1980s, and the problem is all of these processes (real-time or not) tend to soften the picture and tend to introduce motion artifacts, particularly a kind of "blurring" on fast horizontal motion. With Spatial Noise Reduction, you tend to get a degree of image retention or "lag," kind of a smeariness on pictures that will affect adjacent images on a transition within the same clip. Temporal Noise Reduction is better and can use a series of frames to instantly compare the pixels in one frame with those of another, but this requires significantly more processing power, so it slows renders down dramatically.

I think the philosophy of noise reduction has to be that you weigh the pros and cons carefully, and consider you may be doing the image more harm than good with excessive processing. I also think the best kind of NR has to be done on a scene-by-scene basis, so you can be prepared to dial it way back for scenes that are already pretty clean or don't otherwise need much clean-up.
 
Marc Wielage said:
Not necessarily. The built-in noise-reduction within Resolve is actually not that bad, and they just improved it quite a bit in Resolve 12.5. If you want to spend the $250 for Neat, it will produce somewhat better results but at a significant penalty for render time. The great thing about Neat is that it has a lot of very tweaky adjustments available, so that (for example) if you wanted to have different amounts of NR for blacks rather than whites, it's easy to dial that in.

Video noise reduction has been around since at least the 1980s, and the problem is all of these processes (real-time or not) tend to soften the picture and tend to introduce motion artifacts, particularly a kind of "blurring" on fast horizontal motion. With Spatial Noise Reduction, you tend to get a degree of image retention or "lag," kind of a smeariness on pictures that will affect adjacent images on a transition within the same clip. Temporal Noise Reduction is better and can use a series of frames to instantly compare the pixels in one frame with those of another, but this requires significantly more processing power, so it slows renders down dramatically.

I think the philosophy of noise reduction has to be that you weigh the pros and cons carefully, and consider you may be doing the image more harm than good with excessive processing. I also think the best kind of NR has to be done on a scene-by-scene basis, so you can be prepared to dial it way back for scenes that are already pretty clean or don't otherwise need much clean-up.
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Actually it is Marc.
You're arguing about something, that you haven't actually used. Yes, NR had been around for a long time and, as you well know, the only real NR system at the time was a DVNR box- a box that was easily upward $100K at the time, made by... drum roll... the very same company- Digital Vision, that makes DVO Clarity. They have more experience and knowledge in area of noise reduction, than any other software maker. And no, despite what you say Marc, Clarity doesn't blur the image, like others do.
Said that, if anyone takes time, there is no reason they couldn't get decent results with Neat Video. it just takes much more time...
 
Appreciate the input from all. All of my footage from 2009 has been graded in RedCine-X. Much I have been content with. Some footage however, does have some "noise" that cleans up so nicely as TIFFs when imported into Lightroom. I'd hope to get similar results with Resolve.

As far as I have been able to tell the "de-noise" feature in RedCine-X does absolutely NOTHING. Not sure why it has never been able to work for me and I'm not about to start a thread asking "why." Red Users, especially the "experts," can be quite persnickety. I trust I could get a more level explanation in this thread though.
 
Zeb B said:
Some on this forum are not a fan of DaVinci or Neat. They suggest that in order to get professional level Noise Reduction results you should switch computer platforms, NLE brand, possibly physical location, quit your job, get a new wife and for sure cancel your citizenship and switch religions . . . then use some Linux box that was assembled by a Norwegian mountain man running an OS only he knows how to boot with Noise Reduction software you never herd of . . . I'm looking at you Jake ;-)

Mainstream is for losers brah!
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Pffft - real men edit and denoise in a hex editor
 
jake blackstone said:
...the very same company- Digital Vision, that makes DVO Clarity. They have more experience and knowledge in area of noise reduction, than any other software maker.
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Though they have gone bankrupt twice. Just sayin'.

My point is that there are multiple options out there, and one doesn't necessarily need to change platforms or NLE's or anything else. There are lots of good tools that work well, not just those from Nucoda.
 
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