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Free 8K editing program.

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Any free editing programs than can ingest/export 8k?

Done with Premiere, Resolve seems to not accept 8k files.


OSX based.
 
Matt Bai said:
Any free editing programs than can ingest/export 8k?

Done with Premiere, Resolve seems to not accept 8k files.


OSX based.
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Resolve Studio does, for only $ 299.
Free version only goes to UHD.
 
It's funny that on the one hand, people have enough of a budget to buy or use a $40,000+ camera that can shoot 8K files... but on the other hand, can't seem to come up with $299 for a program that edit 8K.

And let's even not talk about pushing 8K files through the process in real-time, monitoring, VFX, or color. That costs a lot more than $299.
 
Any free cameras that can shoot 8K? Any free lenses that can cover it? Any free media to record it on?? Any free computers to cut it on??? Any free monitors to view it on (with free proper calibration, of course)????

I don't know when it became "normal" to expect everything involved in photography or cinematography to be free, but it's a really bad trend. Especially when those who want the free stuff start complaining about not being able to make money with it.
 
M Most said:
Any free cameras that can shoot 8K? Any free lenses that can cover it? Any free media to record it on?? Any free computers to cut it on??? Any free monitors to view it on (with free proper calibration, of course)????

I don't know when it became "normal" to expect everything involved in photography or cinematography to be free, but it's a really bad trend. Especially when those who want the free stuff start complaining about not being able to make money with it.
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Exactly. Thanks, Mike.

The $299 version of Resolve Studio can technically handle 8K, but in truth, the expense of the program is only a fraction of what you're going to need given storage, processing, monitoring, scopes, and other concerns. It's the everything else that will break you.
 
As a developer, I see that it is kind of fun to dedicate many years of total develpment time into something people want for free (no, we're not doing an editor... :) )

I think that the only truly "free " app you could use is RedCine-X, but as that comes with a 40k camera, the economics in that is kind of obvious :)
It's probably not my preferred editing platform, though, despite all the wonderful things it does.
 
M Most said:
Any free cameras that can shoot 8K? Any free lenses that can cover it? Any free media to record it on?? Any free computers to cut it on??? Any free monitors to view it on (with free proper calibration, of course)????

I don't know when it became "normal" to expect everything involved in photography or cinematography to be free, but it's a really bad trend. Especially when those who want the free stuff start complaining about not being able to make money with it.
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Software is rather peculiar in comparison to all that you list. There are massive communities of open-source tools out there, many are only good enough for tinkering around but there are also lots of professional level options as well. Like Blender for example, and the insane amount of Linux distros. Many companies offer free software tho mostly in the form of entry level versions, which Blackmagic obviously does with Resolve. It's not unreasonable to ask if there are legitimate free software out there that does such and such, like edit 8K. If one does not exist now it will eventually.

That's not to say you should expect everything to be free or the free stuff to give you everything, that's obviously ridiculous but someone's bound to have thought about making that straw-man argument.
 
George, I don't disagree with you. But I think Mike was commenting on a trend that he readily admits has been going on for awhile now. So Mike's post was more of a gasp and sigh at the repercussions of this trend, one of which is a pretty absurd sense of entitlement. And another being downward pressure on wages.
 
Peter Moretti said:
George, I don't disagree with you. But I think Mike was commenting on a trend that he readily admits has been going on for awhile now. So Mike's post was more of a gasp and sigh at the repercussions of this trend, one of which is a pretty absurd sense of entitlement. And another being downward pressure on wages.
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Thank you, Peter. I was about to declare myself completely finished with RedUser. You've restored my faith in this still being a place where opinions can be expressed in an open way and interpreted, at least by some, in the spirit in which they're intended. :cheers2:
 
Peter Moretti said:
George, I don't disagree with you. But I think Mike was commenting on a trend that he readily admits has been going on for awhile now. So Mike's post was more of a gasp and sigh at the repercussions of this trend, one of which is a pretty absurd sense of entitlement. And another being downward pressure on wages.
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It is kinda interresting that there aren't too many questions on where to get a free SSD, though.

I enjoy and even work on OpenSOurce and "free" software a lot, but it is kinda fun that the changing business models lead people to think that things are "actually free" :)

Not even open source projects are "really free", mostly.
 
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Peter Moretti said:
George, I don't disagree with you. But I think Mike was commenting on a trend that he readily admits has been going on for awhile now. So Mike's post was more of a gasp and sigh at the repercussions of this trend, one of which is a pretty absurd sense of entitlement. And another being downward pressure on wages.
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Sure, trend on industry is an issue (nor exclusive to this industry), but it hardly invalidates the original post's question. The attitudes in following responses on the other hand is another issue in itself.

Gunleik Groven said:
It is kinda interresting that there aren't too many questions on where to get a free SSD, though.

I enjou and even work with OpenSOurce and "free" software a lot, but it is kinda fun that the changing business models lead people to think that things are "actually free" :)

Not even open source projects are "really free", mostly.
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Sure some open source are not really free, paid for in some way by someone or company or restrictions in user agreements etc... But there is no shortage in the vast amount of open-source (and freeware not bloated by ads etc.) that is free to the end-user (of which I use plenty of myself). Again, does not invalidate the original question in post.
 
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George, the root of the question itself is fine. But you can't ignore its original tone either.

If it were phrased as "Does the free version of Resolve work with 8K files?" Understandable question, but even then the answer could easily be found on Blackmagic Design's website.

But the OP was: I'm done with Premiere (why?) and any free programs that can ingest/export 8K? From the POV of someone who's been in the industry for awhile, that could sound pretty out there. Just think about that question for a second. The cost to shoot, store and process 8K footage is very high. $300 on an NLE is a rounding error.

While it never hurts to ask for free, it just sounds nonsensical. It's like owning a Ferrari and asking for Jiffy Lube coupons for your next oil change.

But still maybe some people overreacted to the OP? But of course they didn't, as proven by the reply "SUCK MY FUCKING DICK."
 
As someone responsible to pay myself and developers, I still do see a lot of good reasons for "free" and open source software.

I think REDs own (very much not open source) Red Cine X, is a very good example, as is Resolve.
Sometimes "promotion of own capacity" is the capital.
Other very good examples are where "interest, curiosity and personal need" is the only thing that can actually fund a necessary development (like ffmpeg).

But I must say that I kind of hate it when end-users thinks that years of work is "free", despite them not paying.

It kind of takes away the generosity of a gift, and makes the "gift of free will and good intention" into an "entitled demand".

I think I start to see why Jarred pulls a clear line when people demand a full-service support for their 10 year old RED1
 
M Most said:
Thank you, Peter. I was about to declare myself completely finished with RedUser. You've restored my faith in this still being a place where opinions can be expressed in an open way and interpreted, at least by some, in the spirit in which they're intended. :cheers2:
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Mike... Don't stop posting even if people are... let's say... less experienced than you are.

Your posts are amongst the most valuable around here.

I know I have pissed you off by my questions a few times, but I also know that your answers have been good.
 
Even in the free version of resolve you can edit full 8k r3d files. The limitation is that you can only render out in 4k.

But it´s easy enough to edit in resolve free version. and then export XML and r3d trims and sound mix and then conform in red cine and export from there..... Not saying it´s the ideal workflow but it´s for free and works, in a lot of ways much better than other platforms.


I started to use resolve for my editing with 8k files more and more no. As I´m doing a personal project revolving my new interest of bee keeping I tend to film a lot during the weekends and much is crap as I shoot and stand infront of the camera as well It´s a lot of dead weight. Then when I get to my computer I just edit straight from the card and view the material in 16:1 resolution or such and cut out all th ebad parts and then do a media management with relink onto my little "bee project raid" That way I form my self too look trough all the crap I shoot and I while moving the material from the cards I also build a long source reel that material some what cut up.

This is sometimes done on my shitty laptop and it works fine to push out hours of 8k to 4k prores files on that machine over night. So saying it can not be done without costly machines is simply wrong.

Sure if you want to master in 8k you need a dongle for your resolve install. But not while editing. 8k in 4:1 is 2k, people been editing in less than that for most of the time man walked the earth and some films that where excellent has been edited in less than good standard def resolution and then negcut accordingly.

So just because you can not view your material in 8k while editing does not mean you can not edit 8k material. HD is more than fine for editing if you ask me. Sure some takes can show up as soft when seeing them in full glory but then change those.
 
And how many people do have an 8k screen to edit or colorcorrect?
 
Björn, I just want to mention that I believe the free version of Resolve is limited to UHD output. As for the equipment needed, I would certainly say that it all depends on what you're trying to do and how skilled you are getting the most out of computer hardware.
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Mike... Don't stop posting even if people are... let's say... less experienced than you are.

Your posts are amongst the most valuable around here.

I know I have pissed you off by my questions a few times, but I also know that your answers have been good.
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++111!!!
 
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