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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Final Cut Pro X Released

Yeah, and I love how they got rid of all those pesky extra features! Those were really getting in the way of my iPhone editing! This is going to be SWEEEET!
 
Zach Gray said:
Yeah. Because Red has published their long term roadmap, and we're on board with that.
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As has been pointed out, RED is unique in the way they operate. You can bet Canon's been working on a 5D MkIII for the last 3 years, too, you just won't know about it until they release the product (or someone decides to leak it). Apple works very much the same way. In a sense, RED has spoiled us with all of the constant updates, but let's not forget that when it comes to deadlines, they've missed just about every one. This isn't enough to stop me from using their products as I believe they're the best in the industry, but I'm almost at the point now that I don't even care when they announce a new wireless module or redmote pro because it'll be years before we see it (and it will have morphed into something completely different by that time - granted it's usually something even cooler). We're already talking about Dragon upgrades and the stage II Epic-X I put five grand down for a year ago still isn't here. That isn't a bash on RED - I made the choice knowing full well what I was signing up for and I also know I'll get the best camera available when it comes out - but the point I'm making is that you can't compare RED and Apple in that way. Could you imagine Apple saying "give us money for FCPX now, and we'll ship it to you in a year... here are a bunch of proposed features but they're subject to change" and then it doesn't show up for another 6 months after that? There would be riots in the streets.

If it would help you to sleep better knowing that Apple "will reintroduce XML support at some random point in the future," then great... but that doesn't help you now. Most companies do not lay out detailed road maps of their plans and I think it's pretty clear which direction Apple has decided to go with the software. To that end:

Bob Franco said:
For me it looks like FCP X is completely useless as a professional tool. Could Apple be so lame as to think that X was a replacement for FCP 7? Maybe not.
Maybe they gave up on making a professional editing tool to concentrate on consumer products. Maybe there is Final Cut Pro 8 and maybe Apple sold it to RED!
The we'd get a professional tool!
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Maybe the definition of what a professional film editor does is changing, just like everything in the industry that's related to technology continues to do?
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
hey scott, its totally cool for me that you like it and see the future abilities of the app. of course ther will come the baselight plugin, the dpx plugin...just imgaine fcpx as a giant iphone interface where you can customize to your needs by third party and apple plugins, lik you do with all the iphone apps. and there will be a chart with the most popular fcpx plugins too. and there will be media management plugins....everything has to be purchased through the app store, so this time apple will earn money directly from the plugin vendors.
a plugged up fcpX will easily cost 2000 USD or much more and this super plug in app will probably be the super app we expected today.
and there will come even more crazy shit which we cant even think about today. good for the future. but who really knows?
thats
but my complaint is about today and the next 6 - 12 months.
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I didn't say that I like it, shit I haven't bought it yet. What I am saying is that I have relative confidence that the rest is coming. It is an app store purchase, so updates should come fairly soon and often. Expect 3rd party stuff to be a little slow in coming.

If you are really concerned that you will become crippled within the next 6-12 months I would suggest that you sit tight. If some updates don't come within 6 months, or you are still uncertain and fear the sky is falling, make your move then. Be proactive and prepare a contingency plan, but to act now would be reactionary, and possibly a costly mistake.
 
Perhaps being professional will be irrelevant in the future. LCD... singularity.
 
Haven't seen this posted, so will post here.

The New York Times has done an article on the missing features of FCPX. They have got some answers from Apple on some of these questions...

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/professional-video-editors-weigh-in-on-final-cut-pro-x/

For us here on REDuser, one of the biggest missing features has been r3d support. Here is the section on r3d:

Complaint: No support for RED digital cameras. The RED camera is a favorite of filmmakers; it records incredibly high-resolution video directly to a hard drive. But FCP X can’t import its files.

Answer: Apple is working with RED to create a plug-in that will give native RED support to FCP X. In the meantime, you can set your RED camera to shoot and capture video in the QuickTime format, which FCP X imports just fine. Or you can use RED’s free conversion program, which converts its own files into the Apple ProRes format, which FCP X loves because it’s so much faster and easier to edit than the native RED files.

This will explain why we haven't seen any answers from RED on this thread about the missing r3d support.

If this has been posted, sorry, couldn't find anything... :-)
 
I see alot of people talking about "professional" as something undefined or a "loose term". It's not.
- Professional means that you earn your living on the work you do. This means, whatever you use as a software, it is a tool that's essential for your income. It makes you pay your rent, makes you have food on the table.

- Prosumer is a consumer using professional gear for projects that isn't about making a living, isn't about profit, but as a hobby or interest.
Amateur filmmakers are prosumers for example. Even if they make a profit later on a movie they made, it's a bonus, not what pays their bills (if so they are tragic people and probably poor... or stepped up to be professionals).

- A consumer is the cattle who buy new stuff because a company say they must... (more true then false really)

So, the definitions are clear and if you should define FCPX to be something then, if a youtube prosumer starts making so much money on his advertised videos that he could quit his regular job, then ok, yes, FCPX is "professional". But that would be a pretty far fetched solution to why it has "Pro" on the box... or appbox... appicon... digital copy metadata-title, whatever.
 
Hey guys... anyone want to let me in on the secrets of:

- how to add eases to your rotation keyframes? I got my position keyframes smooth but no go on rotation keyframes so far. So my moves currently look kinda klunk-tastic.
- how do you adjust the play-around amount? It is too long.
- also, when I am playing around my edit in the Precision Trimmer and I hit > or < to tweak it by a frame, the playhead jumps to the edit. Any way to get the playhead to just keep playing around my edit (eg like Avid?)
- crossfading audio has me confused. It seems to keep adding video crossfades. Any way to make it behave like Vegas (eg when you bump a clip into another it auto-adds a fade, with lines indicating the fade instead of some weird shiny gray box that obscures everything)?
- that NY Times twit said you could make a project with custom resolution buy I can only see presets like 960x540? I'm guessing he didn't get that right either?

All in all, I like:
ORGANIZATION: the metadata, the very visual bin system and skimming stuff.
TIMELINE: Avid-like feeling that the timeline is a solid thing, not just isolated clips (handling of filler & magnetic timeline is nice)
EDITING: the little visual confirmations you get once you make an edit (eg the clip kinda animates and drops down into place)
EDITING: I like some of the magnetic timeline features a lot.
EFFECTS QUALITY & SPEED: rendering engine seems good. I like the Motion integration and publish-able features etc. As an effects guy I could get into this.

I do not like:
How often the damn thing is crashing.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
What a thread ;-)

When apple bought Final Cut years ago, if I remember well, it was a software mostly used by people (amateurs? Semipros?) who couldn't affort to work on the huge and incredible expensive editing suites, defended by the so called professionals. A software, that costs not thousands of Dollars couldn't be professional was the thinking. Over the years, the opinions have changed (the best proof are the comments in this thread ;-)).

It seams, that we have difficulties to let go old fashioned software. To be earnest: I never really liked the design/workflow of FCP7 and older versions. I always felt, that under the hood is a very old thinking of how a editing suite has to work these days. Times have changed a lot since then. Why aren't we able to embrace apples try to define a new way of thinking and working in editing (because everybody on this world can affort it?) This silly discussions what is professional or not is absolutely not a question about earning his money with our job but if the results looks professional. That counts.

It's true: FCP X is NOT there, where we would be able to use it for 100% of our professional work. But it shows a future way of working (Metadata, Timeline, speed, effects quality ASO) and managing future projects. So, I will be patient and see what the next steps are. And yes: APPLE should immediately change the way how they are treating professionals since the last years. Adobe,THE FOUNDRY, RED and others demonstrates perfect, how we would like to collaborate with our software and hardware partners.
 
Carey Lee Coffey said:
This new version of Final Cut is pure genius. Sure it's missing some pro features, but all of these features will be added in future updates. Everyone is ignoring the good and only focusing on the bad. This is a revolutionary NLE. The good FAR outweighs the bad. The previous version is clunky and primitive. This version far exceeds it in almost every aspect. I am both blown away by this new software, and by the amount of resistance against it. I'm sure that when the dust settles, FCP X will be on top.
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How can the good FAR outweight the bad if professionals can't use it in post production? I understand if you shoot and do everything in your FCPX, but that's not how people work on larger projects where the post production team is in two digit numbers. You need to collaborate and the "missing few pro features" makes it impossible for such professional work.

To say "it will be added in future updates" doesn't put food on the table for us who work with this. We need a solid up to date NLE which FCPX isn't. It doesn't matter how flashy and speedy the editing within the program is, professionals aren't looking for that, they are looking for a robust workflow that is foolproof. No one can create a business out of this software.

EDIT: Even if they add support, the way Apple treats the professional community with lack of information, silence and serious misunderstanding of their needs in post makes me wonder if it's even reliable to stay with Apple or if there's a much better long term investment in companies that truly works for the professionals as their primary group... like Avid and Adobe.

People seem to forget that Adobe and Avid works twords professionals and not a huge market of both professionals and consumers. It's easy to expect that apple can change focus, like their main focus on consumers today. Avid and Adobe isn't focusing on consumers and if they did their place on the market would die out.
 
Trying to consider the positives here - there's one new and genuinely useful feature in FCP X - Auditioning. I am sure this will make its way into competing NLEs. I also like Compound Clips - although Clip Groups works just as well in competing NLEs, and has for years now. Everything else, from 64-bit to magnetic timeline, seems like playing the catch-up game. I also like how much "inspiration" it has take from Vegas Pro - definitely my favourite interface in the world of NLEs - that has to be a good thing! There's definitely potential, but who knows where Premiere Pro CS6/7, Vegas Pro 11/12, Avid MC 6/7 will take us by the time Apple gets its act together.
 
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