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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

File Transfer Dilemma

well, quite simple:

- buy the fastest drives/raids you can get, because you will be dealing with a lot of data :-). anything less than esata will be very painful. aim for thunderbolt raids or SAS / 4 lane esata.
- always use R3D or a similar data manager to do a logged transfer AND BACKUP
- always copy entire mags, otherwise you will end up in data purgatory - especially if you are overworked and tired
- SSD drives are reformatted inside the camera. this happens quickly and is the least of your worries.
- if you want to transcode any halfway significant amount of footage get a red rocket. or two. or buy yourself a hollywood swing and a couple of six packs because
you will have a lot of time on your hand waiting :-)
 
Ever single little red station gets their own little esata cable :-)



QUOTE=Bosko Ilic;944794]For some reason I was not thinking of terabytes and terabytes back @ November when I placed the order...

When I go from the red station to the computer - if I have 3 red stations and a red station base interlaced does all the data go via one cable, or it is the same (speed wise) as if separately connecting 3 red stations with 3 cables to the computer?

Thanks for the tips![/QUOTE]
 
Chris McKechnie said:
Remember...smaller drives like 500GB are always better because they are faster. :-)
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That is absolutely incorrect. Unless you're referring to 10-15K RPM SAS disks, that's completely untrue. While I'd normally go into a rather long explanation right now about disk speeds, I will instead keep it short...

Larger drives in a multi-disk RAID array will be no slower than smaller drives. It will, in fact, be significantly faster. If you're in the market for hard drives, buy either SATA 6.0 Gbps disks at the largest capacity you can (2-3TB) and use them in arrays with a large number of individual drives (5+). Higher caches per disk also result in speed improvements, but that's less of concern than disk capacity.

As Axel mentioned though, SAS drives would be ideal.
 
Bosko Ilic said:
For some reason I was not thinking of terabytes and terabytes back @ November when I placed the order...
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I think a lot of people are going to be ill-prepared to handle red footage efficiently... but they'll get by. Also, I'm thinking lots of people will end up using offboard recorders (ATOMOS, SD Pix series, AJA, etc.) to capture direct to 1080p prores/dnx or whatever.

When I go from the red station to the computer - if I have 3 red stations and a red station base interlaced does all the data go via one cable, or it is the same (speed wise) as if separately connecting 3 red stations with 3 cables to the computer?
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I have no experience with the RED base, but if it's connected by one cable, you could quite possibly oversaturate that single cable. Assuming you're using (e)SATA3 (6Gbps aka ~750meg/s theoretical max), three SSDs/REDmags will easily be able to transfer at 400-500meg/s EACH (again, assuming they're going to an equally fast RAID array (eight+ 7200rpm drives in RAID0 might be able to keep up, otherwise SSDs could)...

...In other words, it depends on the connection of the REDbase to your comp and on what kind of storage you're copying to, to determine which would be the bottleneck. Know what I mean?

axel ebermann said:
Ever single little red station gets their own little esata cable :-)
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Well, there you go... Red Base is only used to distribute power, and each red station still gets an independent (hopefully eSATA) connection to the comp. It might be a more cost effective invest to buy a $10 power bar, rather than a REDbase... although, you may be OCD about a bunch of cables and powerbricks laying behind your desk.
 
axel ebermann said:
I don't know what you are smoking my brother but am using a 50TB SAS raid :-)
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I'm sure you're using large capacity drives (larger than 500GB) and getting extremely fast transfer speeds of multiple gigabytes per second, right?


Mike P. said:
I think a lot of people are going to be ill-prepared to handle red footage efficiently... but they'll get by. Also, I'm thinking lots of people will end up using offboard recorders (ATOMOS, SD Pix series, AJA, etc.) to capture direct to 1080p prores/dnx or whatever.
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I agree. After I started reading about users here in November planning on editing Scarlet footage by using a Mac Mini or MacBook Pro as their primary editing workstation, I knew a lot of people were going to be in for an unpleasant surprise... ;-)
 
RedCine-X does have the ability to export an R3D Trim - exporting a new, shorter R3D file defined by in/out points.
 
You can even mark them for trimming in the camera. But no other software than RCX can write new R3Ds.
 
If you have long files, and they are your only files and master files, I would strongly recommending AGAINST
trimming the files directly from the SSDs.

Download, backup - then trim.

Otherwise I shall be watching out for your 'HELP' post a couple of weeks down the road :-)
 
Yeah I think that is what he meant by the next line. Damn Germans. :)

For any PC users out there, I've been using a generic esata card ($25) and am getting about 100MB/s transfer speeds from the red station. Not too shabby. Using a program called TeraCopy to verify my transfers.
 
tony if you want to see a PC user who works on Red go get yourself a mirror :-)

TonySegreto said:
Yeah I think that is what he meant by the next line. Damn Germans. :)

For any PC users out there, I've been using a generic esata card ($25) and am getting about 100MB/s transfer speeds from the red station. Not too shabby. Using a program called TeraCopy to verify my transfers.
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