[SOLD] Epic-X package for sale

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

However this is the response from RED team to me for the given serial # and name & email id

"Hello Siva.

This email address is not associated with this camera. They are not authorized to transfer this camera without permission from the registered owner.

Thanks,
Rory Brosius
Transfer of Ownership Coordinator - Bomb Squad Representative"

I would have a HUGE red flag there - against RED!

All they have is a record of the most recent recorded owner. The camera could have changed hands, *perfectly legitimately*, several times since then, *without RED being informed*.

Yes RED *like* to keep track of who owns which cameras; the marketing implications are obvious, apart from anything else. And yes, they have a formal camera inspection and transfer procedure, for those who decide they want to use it.

But, (and I make no apology for shouting) no-one is OBLIGED to do this; it's strictly voluntary. And most seriously of all, RED HAVE NO BUSINESS WHATEVER SAYING 'They are not authorized to transfer this camera without permission from the registered owner.'.

That is frankly BULLSHIT.

If the person is the legal owner of the camera, they can sell it, lend it, rent it out, or turn it into an elegant little vase for black flower arrangements.

RED have no way of determining who the legal owner of the camera is, and for them to baldly state that someone who is the LEGAL owner of a camera has no authority to transfer it to someone else is, quite possibly, *actionable*. The current registered owner at RED may have sold the camera (but neglected to inform RED) long ago, and have nothing further to do with it!

RED's efforts to combat theft are appreciated, but don't overreach yourself; you are NOT the RED Market Police, and you are NOT arbiters of who is and isn't authorised to sell a RED camera.

For avoidance of doubt, please note that I'm speaking generally here, and NOT, repeat NOT, as to the circumstances of the individual buyer and seller in this case - about which I know nothing.

Mike

 

[Shane Kelly]

I would have a HUGE red flag there - against RED!

All they have is a record of the most recent recorded owner. The camera could have changed hands, *perfectly legitimately*, several times since then, *without RED being informed*.

Yes RED *like* to keep track of who owns which cameras; the marketing implications are obvious, apart from anything else. And yes, they have a formal camera inspection and transfer procedure, for those who decide they want to use it.

But, (and I make no apology for shouting) no-one is OBLIGED to do this; it's strictly voluntary. And most seriously of all, RED HAVE NO BUSINESS WHATEVER SAYING 'They are not authorized to transfer this camera without permission from the registered owner.'.

That is frankly BULLSHIT.

If the person is the legal owner of the camera, they can sell it, lend it, rent it out, or turn it into an elegant little vase for black flower arrangements.

RED have no way of determining who the legal owner of the camera is, and for them to baldly state that someone who is the LEGAL owner of a camera has no authority to transfer it to someone else is, quite possibly, *actionable*. The current registered owner at RED may have sold the camera (but neglected to inform RED) long ago, and have nothing further to do with it!

RED's efforts to combat theft are appreciated, but don't overreach yourself; you are NOT the RED Market Police, and you are NOT arbiters of who is and isn't authorised to sell a RED camera.

For avoidance of doubt, please note that I'm speaking generally here, and NOT, repeat NOT, as to the circumstances of the individual buyer and seller in this case - about which I know nothing.

Mike

Nicely said Mike.

 

[Siva Kollipara]

I think you need to understand the background and context.
I did ask the seller, what is the name and email associated with RED for the given serial number and if I can verify the same details with RED.
Yes, RED has responded to my question, if the given info is correct or not and if the same user can initiate RED transfer process or not.I think their answer is accurate for my question.

Now whether RED verification & transfer process is user friendly or not is debatable

 

[Philipp Hartmann]

I personally would have been burned three times already if it wasn't for RED -- once on an mx on ebay, twice on an epic just recently right here in LA -- anyone spending that kind of cash on a camera not going through RED seems reckless. IMHO, the ownership program is a blessing, seriously! Mike, how else do you verify that the gear your buying is not stolen?

 

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

I personally would have been burned three times already if it wasn't for RED -- once on an mx on ebay, twice on an epic just recently right here in LA -- anyone spending that kind of cash on a camera not going through RED seems reckless. IMHO, the ownership program is a blessing, seriously! Mike, how else do you verify that the gear your buying is not stolen?

Unfortunately, absent a system of registered title for cameras (as exists for real estate) you can't; all you can do is do your due diligence on the seller. If they (or a previous owner) have not chosen to take part in the RED inspection/registration program - something that will be increasingly common as cameras age out of warranty, get more plentiful on the used market, and cheaper - that does NOT indicate they're not the legal owner.

Even that's no guarantee of course; they may be perfectly legit, but have the misfortune to have acquired, innocently, a camera which was (unknown to them) stolen at some point in its earlier ownership history.

Mike