Epic-w crop factor

[francisco santos]

Am I the only one who has a problem with the 2x crop factor at 5k on the epic w? I need 60fps for music videos but the 2x crop is a deal breaker what are other people thoughts on it?

 

[Steve DiMaggio]

I hear you as I am stuck in 6K which is tough (until fcpx is supported) but the money saved on the upgrade could literally buy top notch fast glass, so I guess it is kind of double edged in that regard, but hey, you get to buy another lens

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/co...REG&ap=y&c3api=1876,89827194362,&A=details&Q=

 

[Peter Majtan]

I have elaborated on this before the "D" day...:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?149748-Helium-vs-Dragon-consider-this

 

[Aaron Lochert]

Am I the only one who has a problem with the 2x crop factor at 5k on the epic w? I need 60fps for music videos but the 2x crop is a deal breaker what are other people thoughts on it?

You don't have to step down to 5K if all you need is 60fps. Epic-W can do 6K up to 75fps and 6K WS up to 100fps.

6K is a 1.6x FF35 crop and only 1.11x smaller than S35.

 

[Andy Roberts]

What Aaron said. For many of us, the Epic-W is perfect. But for some, what they need is the frame rates of Weapon Helium. If you can't afford to step up to Weapon Helium, then your 6K Dragon will have to "suffice."

 

[Brandon Forbes]

You are not alone.. After receiving our Epic-W we shot on it for 1 day and turned around and submitted a return claim. Going to get back in line for the Scarlet-W... We shoot some offspeed and that crop is just too much. Shame really

 

[Evin Grant]

I've shot almost everything on my Epic Dragon at 5K with a 4K framing, this is roughly equivalent to shooting 7K with a 6K protect on the Epic-W. If I need higher frame rates then I'll shoot 6K without the protect and still be in the same "useable" frame that I'm used to. VFX Plates and specialty projects are the only thing's I for see shooting at 8K.

 

[Peter Majtan]

You are not alone.. After receiving our Epic-W we shot on it for 1 day and turned around and submitted a return claim. Going to get back in line for the Scarlet-W... We shoot some offspeed and that crop is just too much. Shame really

Brandon - with all due respects the shame is on you not doing your homework before buying $30K camera. This "aspect" of the Epic-W has been discussed in so many threads (including my own linked above) long before the D-Day (10/11). Not sure if you have a basis for a "return claim" - the Epic-W does everything exactly as advertised and specified. That's like buying a sports car with V12 and then complain that is uses too much fuel when you go slow - despite of the car manufacturer clearly publishing the car's specs (including the fuel consumption as slower speeds). Your best bet is to find someone with Scarlet-W who wants to swap with you...

:sifone: Peter

 

[Stacey Spears]

Am I the only one who has a problem with the 2x crop factor at 5K on the epic w? I need 60fps for music videos but the 2x crop is a deal breaker what are other people thoughts on it?

Is the deal breaker because you don't have a lens wide enough to cover the FOV you want at 5K? The Scarlet-W can shoot 4.5K at 60p. Does that provide a better FOV for you? I assume you have seen it, but if not, all of the fps vs. resolutions can be found in the DSMC Media Guide.

The Weapon Helium and CF Weapon Dragon handle the higher frame rates and you do pay for the extra processing power to do that.

Out of curiosity, are you shooting a base rate of 30 / 29.97 on music videos or 24 / 23.976?

We shoot some offspeed and that crop is just too much.

If offspeed is common, you may really need the CF Weapon since it has the processing power to handle the higher frame rates. Fully understand if budget is the gating factor on the Weapon vs. EPIC-W / Scarlet-W.

 

[Nader Almaghraby]

If shooting HFR affect the DR resulting from the crop factor, so what to do to get the best of the sensor?

 

[Chris Kennedy]

If shooting HFR affect the DR resulting from the crop factor, so what to do to get the best of the sensor?

Don’t see why HFR would effect DR. But signal to noise, sharpness, proper black shading, and compression/quality then definitely. Just be sure your exposure is on point and your shooting with as little compression as possible.
I’d definitely stress on proper exposure/lighting to “get the best of the sensor” whether in real time or HFR. Helium may perform better in low light than previous sensors but the image would look like crap and fall apart if you’re way underexposed.

 

[Aaron Lochert]

If shooting HFR affect the DR resulting from the crop factor, so what to do to get the best of the sensor?

Best to do some testing for yourself. But when I shoot HFR I'll lighten up on the compression a bit, or maybe rate the sensor slower so I'm hitting it with just a bit more light. That way the 5k/6K image and the 8K image match a little bit better when it comes to texture. Gotta watch your highlights when doing this, of course.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Zack Birlew]

I have a RED One MX and I know the crop factor for just 2K and I’m fine with it because I know that I can use my Tokina 11-16 and, if necessary, a Nikon 18-200 zoom for full range. If you wanted to get more modern optics then you have the Sigma 18-35 1.8 and the Tamron 15-30. Whether it’s Canon or Nikon, you’ve got lens options and if I and many other award-winning DPs have and are doing fine at 2K on a RED One for high speed, then you’ve got no excuse with an Epic-W. Get some wide angle zooms and don’t worry about a missing K or two of resolution, you’ll drive yourself nuts when so many other shows and movies are still using specialty HD and even SD cameras and getting great results.

 

[Grzegorz Gill]

I just bought the newer tokina 11-16mm in pl, just incase I need that wider FOV for my music video content. Most people commercially or narrative only go 48-60fps, which covered at 6k. Occasionally we want 120, with the 11-16mm I'm sorted.