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Epic vs Scarlet comparison

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Is there any known footage comparing the two RED cameras side by side? This would end the debate of both sensors & footage are the same but I can't find any?
 
There are two types of people claiming such a thing:

A. Epic owners/operators, that try to justify why Epic is better then Scarlet (as if 5K@120P and HDRx wasn't enough)
B. Scarlet owners/operators, that try to cover up their lack of skills, talent, or experience (or all three) and justify the poor results they are getting

Peter
 
Peter Majtan said:
There are two types of people claiming such a thing:

A. Epic owners/operators, that try to justify why Epic is better then Scarlet (as if 5K@120P and HDRx wasn't enough)
B. Scarlet owners/operators, that try to cover up their lack of skills, talent, or experience (or all three) and justify the poor results they are getting

Peter
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I mix my scarlet with epic and REDone mx footage all the time. If you set up your cameras to the same glass, same settings and same compression and black shade to the same temp. Then there's no way you could tell them apart. Granted the MX sensor is known for tint to be off when doing multi cam. But other then tint, the MX sensor mixes well with each other.
 
Peter Majtan said:
There are two types of people claiming such a thing:

A. Epic owners/operators, that try to justify why Epic is better then Scarlet (as if 5K@120P and HDRx wasn't enough)
B. Scarlet owners/operators, that try to cover up their lack of skills, talent, or experience (or all three) and justify the poor results they are getting

Peter
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Peter, a concise, clear minded assessment - refreshing thank you! :)
 
Sensors are the same. The result for 4k, center of frame, is the same if it's shot at the same compression fps etc. However Epic 3:1 is not matched by a scarlet, for that reason you might also say that scarlet does not have the same lowlight capabilites as the epic. If shooting in poor lighting conditions then the extra 1K of the epic and the lower compression can definitely make a "make or break difference". Still the physical sensors are the same.
 
Words from pro's and experts on here are great, but I would also love to see a comparison between the two, side-by-side. It would be interesting! Even if the results were identical. If I owned both camera's I would certainly compare them, regardless of what anyone said on here and regardless of what the spec sheets say. Owning a Scarlet and renting an Epic, my observations are that scarlet has more noise than Epic and the Scarlet heats up quicker and needs more fan than an Epic. Anyone in Melbourne got an Epic and some time to do a test? It would be great fun :)
 
Matthew Scott said:
Words from pro's and experts on here are great, but I would also love to see a comparison between the two, side-by-side. It would be interesting! Even if the results were identical. If I owned both camera's I would certainly compare them, regardless of what anyone said on here and regardless of what the spec sheets say. Owning a Scarlet and renting an Epic, my observations are that scarlet has more noise than Epic and the Scarlet heats up quicker and needs more fan than an Epic. Anyone in Melbourne got an Epic and some time to do a test? It would be great fun :)
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The results are not identical, as the two cameras are built differently the epic needs to be set to "under preform" to match the scarlet. I think the correct setting was 7:1 4k 24p, then the epic match the scarlet.
 
Björn Benckert said:
The results are not identical, as the two cameras are built differently the epic needs to be set to "under preform" to match the scarlet. I think the correct setting was 7:1 4k 24p, then the epic match the scarlet.
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But these are the results we are curious about :) It's all good to tell us and it's not that your words don't have merit, but seeing is believing. And yes of course, when comparing I would do it properly (matching settings/lens/etc).
 
Matthew Scott said:
But these are the results we are curious about :) It's all good to tell us and it's not that your words don't have merit, but seeing is believing. And yes of course, when comparing I would do it properly (matching settings/lens/etc).
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With matching settings and optics, they should be the same.

With diffwrent compression and/or resolution, they are not.

No surprises there...

If you shoot the Epic with Scarlet settings... Etc...

One thing I have noticed thoug (not really epic vs scarlet but ted vs red) is that the tint on the various epic cameras can varyquite a lot. So in that respect an epicvs epic might be a worse match than an epic vs scarlet...
 
I could get hold of a scarlet, but many have them.

I am not in agreement with those that say that A R1 and Epic is a perfect match.
I'd be surprised to find a similar difference between epic and Scarlet. But I guess Peter could put up a test, if he wanted to.
 
I'm surprised you haven't done this already Gunleik...hehe...loved that tungsten test you did a while back with Epic.

For me personally, it wouldn't be about matching cameras...I mean, we can match 5D to Epic for 1080p delivery without much trouble. I'm more interested in any differences between to two, even though there are SUPPOSED to be no differences (at 4k, 6:1, 24p). This would 1) rest debate, both here and in the field. Do you know how many times I've said/heard "Epic and Scarlet are identical at 4K, 6:1 24p", 100%! And arguments fly. 2) It would give possible Epic purchases a cheaper alternative when considering buying if the frame-rates and 5K are something you can do without. But 3) Just for my own curiosity, I would love to see the results. Tests are awesome fun, camera tests that is.
 
Matthew Scott said:
Ah yes good point. I guess aside from tint, that's what I'm interested in. Noise levels, detail, etc.
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If you look carefully, you probably will find differences in those aspects as well, but that may be due to batches and other things...
 
So, if I did a controlled test and I posted the results here, would you be interested to look at them? Even though you know for certain there are no differences, since the sensor is the same? For me, I'd be happy to see no difference in the two cameras, and happy to see the opposite. I'll get an Epic and compare :)
 
If you shoot these exposures:

Tungsten over (It is enough to let it clip. don't have to measure the stops)

Tungsten center

Tungsten under (just allmost black, but so that you can barely see a bit f drawing)

Similar with daylight.

Same sutter/aperture/glass/framing/compression.

Flat ISO settings for all shots
Preferably with some skintones in all and maybe a macbeth?

And also a shot through leaves against a high contrast sky

And if you post those R3D's, I'll have a look.

Please shoot without WB'ing the camera.

either at 320/5600 or 800/5600

Doesn't really matter which, just pick one.
 
haha...thanks for the guide-lines, but I was really making a point that you (and other responders to this post) seemed completely disinterested in the results since you all quite confidently assume that you know what the outcome will be. I wasn't asking if you would have a look at the results for me hehe :) I'm more than capable of that. I'll try and organize an Epic before Christmas and get something happening.
 
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