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Epic lover shoots on Canon 1D C

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Rafeeq Ellias

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A stills photographer who shot a feature on Red One and a commercial on Red Epic, I shot this test 'portrait' on the new Canon 1D C 4K straight without Canon Log. Then downsized for Vimeo. I know it's 8-bit, hasno high frame rates but is a very unintimidating camera. Missed Epic's raw files but pleasantly surprised at the quality. Feedback and debate most welcome. https://vimeo.com/61088951
 
I tested the 1D-C recently. The Motion Jpeg compression of the 4k mode definitely gave quite a bit of artifacting. CanonLog, however yielded a really high dynamic range that graded nicely in Resolve. It's a nice small camera that would be ideal when you need something with almost no weight. I preferred the image out of my Epic but no surprise there.
 
I like the style and look and feel.

Just at around 151 I did see some rolling shutter when you were following her through the alley. Did you notice that as well?

happens at 622 as well

david
 
That was excellent. And a pretty good test of the camera, too.

I can't comment on banding, compression artifacts, that sort of thing from a Vimeo video...

I don't think I like the way the 1DC rolls into highlights. The clipping seems abrupt and harsh, but I would want to play with the camera myself or see actual footage to know for sure.

Colors for straight out of the camera look wonderful.

The most noticeable issues I saw throughout were the AF tracking and rolling shutter skew, disastrous when the two combined. Of course, one could disable AF and eliminate that problem from the equation or do more to anticipate those shifts. Besides, we see that on every other AF system anyway, so it just is what it is to some extent. The rolling shutter skew and warp is pretty bad. I wasn't expecting it to be that bad on the 1DC... Hmmm...
 
Really nice little portrait film.
 
David Battistella said:
I like the style and look and feel.

Just at around 151 I did see some rolling shutter when you were following her through the alley. Did you notice that as well?

happens at 622 as well

david
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That is definitely stabilization artifacts. The camera was most likely handheld walking through the alley, he wanted to make it look like a steadicam shot, so he stabilized it.

I see these "artifacts" all the time when I stabilize wobbly EPIC footage...
 
In my limited experience grading 1D C material, the most striking issue is massive aliasing in the image. Also 8 bit material makes it almost impossible to grade. Left on it's own, properly shot with light grading touch it can produce pleasant picture. But don't try to push it, it will bite you back, hard. At about half of the price of 1D C, Scarlet is head and shoulders above it. BMCC in my opinion also a better choice, if crop factor is not taken into account.
 
Justin Kirchhoff said:
That is definitely stabilization artifacts. The camera was most likely handheld walking through the alley, he wanted to make it look like a steadicam shot, so he stabilized it.

I see these "artifacts" all the time when I stabilize wobbly EPIC footage...
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Yes absolutely.
 
Well, Canons are generally good at handling low light scenes, I hope Dragon will be an improvement in that field too, along with better overexposure latitude.
 
jake blackstone said:
(...) Also 8 bit material makes it almost impossible to grade. (...)
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Impossible? Come on... with controlled 8-bit banding or without it -- and that's another discussion, that's simply not true! (E :-)
 
Insightful feedback, great forum indeed. More:

1. Yes stabilisation is a culprit. Nothing like sticks or steadicam but not always possible. Used a monopod occasionally; not a great idea either.
2. Used ISOs exceeding 2000 in indoor scenes. Holds well. Canon log would yield better results.
3. For a filmmaker coming from stills end, useful features including flash sync, but yes many infirmities too. Especially high frame rates, 10 bits, better raw code are missed.
4. A small self-contained, self-reliant camera from Red at up to $ 20000/- (with Dragon sensor, effective flash sync) would make the convergence between stills and motion picture complete for a certain category of professionals. That would qualify Red once again for a much-abused term 'game changer'!

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Emanuel A. said:
It is not ideal but it is not impossible or even almost impossible to grade 8-bit footage...
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If you mean an ability to change some colors and exposure, then yes, it is possible, but if you want to color grade in a traditional sense i.e. keying, manipulating contrast, adjust HSL parameters, then I stand behind my original statement.
 
jake blackstone said:
If you mean an ability to change some colors and exposure, then yes, it is possible, but if you want to color grade in a traditional sense i.e. keying, manipulating contrast, adjust HSL parameters, then I stand behind my original statement.
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Horses for courses ;-)
 
jake blackstone said:
If you mean an ability to change some colors and exposure, then yes, it is possible, but if you want to color grade in a traditional sense i.e. keying, manipulating contrast, adjust HSL parameters, then I stand behind my original statement.
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Which is interesting considering that a lot of films have been done in 8 bits. A LOT. I'm not a professional colorist but I have worked under one and done some of my own independent stuff and I had never problems with creating keys, manipulating contrast, adjusting HSL parameters. But I do work more with compositing stuff and that has never fallen apart because of 8-bits.
 
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