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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic has changed...

Whoops, my bad, apologies. Shouldn't post that late.

But, you will still find cheaper lenses for S35 still than full format - also because most modern consumer lenses are made for the smaller digital sensors, which are approximately the same size as the Red One sensor.
And of course, you can use full format 35mm/Vistavision lenses on a Red - and probably end up getting better quality as lens performance tends to fall off towards the edges.

Anyway, off to sleep for me.
 
Martin Weiss said:
But, you will still find cheaper lenses for S35 still than full format - also because most modern consumer lenses are made for the smaller digital sensors, which are approximately the same size as the Red One sensor.
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Usually, yes. And the good ones (like the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS) have better resolution than still 35 lenses (for the same reason that 2/3" lenses have better resolution than still 35). Crop DSLR still have the same-size mirror assembly, so the crop-format lenses still have to have the same (long) flange focal distance, which prevents some cost-saving designs and imposes some constraints on lens design.
 
yeah, just to clarify, many of us are starting to use the terms "full frame 35mm" and "Vista Vision" interchangeably.

on a side note, i suppose "Vista Vision" is still a trademarked term that Paramount or whatever would not allow others to use?

hehe... i could buy a 5Dm2, deck it out with a viewfinder, recorder, mattebox, focus, etc, and tell clients, "Yes, I can shoot your project in Digital Vista Vision!" :)
 
Assuming that the 5K-100fps spec was our maximum data rate for EPIC's processing electronics, and that the spec was for a 5120x3840 4:3 aspect ratio s35 sensor read area, that same sensor at VistaVision 3:2 would be able to output about 7.6K at 50fps, at a 16:9 ratio about 60fps, and at 2:1 66fps if my math is correct.
Also, if the scaling continued to 65mm, we could have a 2.20:1 sensor shooting around 10-11k (depending if you wanted projector or camera aperture spec for 65mm) at 35-43fps, and if you wanted 16:9 you'd get 27-33fps depending if it was camera or projector aperture spec. Again, this assumes my math is correct, which it may well not be at this late hour. But I was bored.

Lenses and of course sensor fab costs are another story. As is storage.
 
Tom said:
yeah, just to clarify, many of us are starting to use the terms "full frame 35mm" and "Vista Vision" interchangeably.

on a side note, i suppose "Vista Vision" is still a trademarked term that Paramount or whatever would not allow others to use?

hehe... i could buy a 5Dm2, deck it out with a viewfinder, recorder, mattebox, focus, etc, and tell clients, "Yes, I can shoot your project in Digital Vista Vision!" :)
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Yes indeed Tom. I personally like to use "F35" (as compared to "S35") where "F" stands for "Full Frame", but I suppose it should really be "FF35"... :innocent: ...to avoid confusion with "certain" company's (mis)use of the term... :devil:
 
will the epic be able to have a Contax or Nikon mount?
 
Is there ever going to be a point where all three cameras wont need to be back ordered? So we can just go pick one up once you got the money.
 
yes... just have to let the company get up and running first... they are putting out tons of products, and all the main products (cameras etc..) are all revolutionary... good things don't come easy... at least not in the first two years, then it might be like Apple :)
 
I know it's been said before, but since you're opening up the design phase some more on Epic...

It would be wonderful to have a 4:3 sensor so we could use anamorphic lenses for 2.39:1 aspect ratio. i.e. a 5K by 4K sensor would allow this and likely still resolve 4k x 3k MTF resolution.
 
Peter Majtan said:
Yes indeed Tom. I personally like to use "F35" (as compared to "S35") where "F" stands for "Full Frame", but I suppose it should really be "FF35"... :innocent: ...to avoid confusion with "certain" company's (mis)use of the term... :devil:
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Hi,

What about Leica format? Which is how it was described for many years since Leica popularized the format some 90 years ago.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

What about Leica format? Which is how it was described for many years since Leica popularized the format some 90 years ago.

Stephen
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While I am a big Leica collector (Oscar Barnack's original camera, Luxus, 250GG with motor, MPs,etc.), we now internally refer to the primary sensor sizes as:

2/3"
S35
FF35
645
617

Not that you guys are stuck with that. Just sayin'.

Jim
 
Medium Format sensor (645-617) would bring into the picture all those beautiful lenses, like good old Hasselblad's, not the new plastic ones but V series. Those lenses, are incredible and super reliable. Their quality exceeds your expectations in every way, and just imagine one of those lenses on a 5K camera... Yummy. Hope this project goes that way and that a mount will be released for those kind of lenses.
 
Jannard said:
While I am a big Leica collector (Oscar Barnack's original camera, Luxus, 250GG with motor, MPs,etc.), we now internally refer to the primary sensor sizes as:

2/3"
S35
FF35
645
617

Not that you guys are stuck with that. Just sayin'.

Jim
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Since You have omitted 16, S15 & 35 (amongst few other) - is it safe to assume that this is a list of RED sensors???

2/3" - Scarlet
S35 - Red One
FF35 - EPIC and/or DSMC
645 - EPIC and/or DSMC
617 - EPIC and/or DSMC

Just askin'. :)
 
jim, small question...

when epic will be released, is it like

1.who pays first get it first (then i will wire the money immediatly)
2. reservation number rules----hope i dont have to wait 6-12 months, or i buy a used red one between serial 100-200 now.
3. make a new reservation and if you have a red you can trade it in.----take my reservation now.
4. dont worry, you will wait no longer then 4 weeks

you see, the fence sitters gave me a trauma :)
 
IMS_RED_Hasselblad80mm.jpg

Hasselblad Carl Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 T* is already tested on RED using Hasselblad to EOS and IMS for RED mount and adapters.
 
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