epic dimensions?

[Jane Woi]

Dang, I knew my dimensions were off!

Very Cool

 

[Dave Weber]

Did the specs change on the vent on the top, isn't it still curved like this:

More important. Are there mounting holes on the back like in the pic? From the diagram Jarred posted there are (5) 1/4-20 mounting holes on the front of body. In pics i've seen the LCD mounts there leaving no other mounting options. If there are the same on the back that would leave options open.

Jarred?

 

[Brook Willard]

Those mounting holes in the picture above are on the module adapter, not the camera body.

The module adapter is not necessary for use as photographed above - the REDmote can attach directly to the back of the body. If you choose to use any additional modules [IO module for example], the module adapter is necessary.

 

[Dave Weber]

So Brook,

Are the only mounting holes on the front bridge of the camera as shown in the specs from Jarred?

 

[Dave Weber]

Jarred or Jim,

Any chance you could give the measurements to the center of the LCD mounting holes and spacing of them?

Don't know what parts you are making but I've got a few ideas and need these measurements to draw them up.

Thanks

PS. Jarred thanks for throwing the drawings up

 

[David (dudi) Namir]

Epic egronomic

Epic egronomic

Looking at the Epic M8 Steve Gibby and Ketch Rossi posted and I am just wondering, isn't this camera too small?
Look at the back just between the battery and the body at the bottom part, how many cables one has to plug and unplug there while there is hardly any room for the fingers.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

...isn't this camera too small?

Yep - no way anyone is going to buy this camera. It's just plain too small!! :tongue_smilie:

(and probably too light as well!)

 

[Ketch Rossi]

Looking at the Epic M8 Steve Gibby and Ketch Rossi posted and I am just wondering, isn't this camera too small?
Look at the back just between the battery and the body at the bottom part, how many cables one has to plug and unplug there while there is hardly any room for the fingers.

NO, the camera is not too small, it is in fact PERFECT!!

Those cables are there because we used what ever cables we had, and they were the long ones,
but the camera believe me when I say that is just beautiful!!

 

[Michael Dearworth]

Yep - no way anyone is going to buy this camera. It's just plain too small!! :tongue_smilie:

(and probably too light as well!)

I don't think that's what he was saying. I can see how it might be a tight fit if you have a bunch of cables plugged in to it, but I assume RED has tested this.

EDIT: Thanks Ketch! Good to hear.

 

[Eric Lange]

Just for the record... these are to help those who want to make 3rd party accessories. It is not for re-post anywhere else.

Jim

Thanks you so much, that’s very helpful. As you know in design there are many alternative paths and competing ideas; sometimes a small mistake in form factor (when you don’t have the actual item) can tip the balance in the wrong direction. A lot of time money and effort is wasted.


Thanks for being so considerate and generous.


Cheers,

Eric

 

[Eric Lange]

Hey Jarred, any chance of a view of the bottom plate too? The mounting points would seem to be quite crucial. Thanks Man.

A "cheeky" shot of the bottom plate would be awesome too, but very grateful for what you posted, (I know you guys are obviously super-busy).


Cheers,

Eric

 

[David (dudi) Namir]

A "cheeky" shot of the bottom plate would be awesome too, but very grateful for what you posted, (I know you guys are obviously super-busy).


Cheers,

Eric

There you have a "cheeky" bottom

 

[David (dudi) Namir]

NO, the camera is not too small, it is in fact PERFECT!!

Those cables are there because we used what ever cables we had, and they were the long ones,
but the camera believe me when I say that is just beautiful!!

Thanks Ketch for the answer.

 

[Eric Lange]

There you have a "cheeky" bottom

Thanks David!

I forgot about that shot. For some reason I had built up in my mind a much more complicated and substantial base plate or way of securing the camera body to other pieces of equipment where positional accuracy is everything.

I wonder if the base plate of EPIC can be removed and be replaced by a custom mounting plate that is securely fastened to the chassis/ or whether the base plate IS the chassis and everything else has to be removed? I’m not clear if parts of the case constitute the chassis or whether there is an inner ‘hunky” core? Just trying to figure out more aggressive ways of bolting the unit in place without causing it harm or voiding the warranty?

It ‘s hard to imagine any film maker NOT wanting to gravitate to EPIC. It just seems so right in so many ways...

Cheers,

Eric

 

[David (dudi) Namir]

Yep - no way anyone is going to buy this camera. It's just plain too small!! :tongue_smilie:

(and probably too light as well!)

Terry, the fact that thousands of people may buy the Epic doesn't necessarily means it is not too small. People tends to make mistakes predictably irrational.
Tools need to be in the right size, cellular phones, keyboards and so are cameras. Back in the nineties when we were shooting 7 episodes of the TV series Grand Slam (http://www.film.com/tv/grand-slam/21329506), the last episode, as a tryout was shot with Arriflex 16mm SR camera while the 6th before it were shot on 35mm. We left the big matte box and whatever we could so the camera will have its presence as we thought it is important.
Things are different now and in a way everything is lightweight, small and handy. Still I do think too small maybe an impact not only ergonomically working with it, but also on rental prices and the producers and crew that will work with it. Producers may see it more as a HDSLR camera and prefer other cameras like Alexa (I have already heard that from producers only by the way the Alexa looks).
Have I mentioned predictably irrational?

 

[Eric Lange]

Terry, the fact that thousands of people may buy the Epic doesn't necessarily means it is not too small. People tends to make mistakes predictably irrational.
Tools need to be in the right size, cellular phones, keyboards and so are cameras. Back in the nineties when we were shooting 7 episodes of the TV series Grand Slam (http://www.film.com/tv/grand-slam/21329506), the last episode, as a tryout was shot with Arriflex 16mm SR camera while the 6th before it were shot on 35mm. We left the big matte box and whatever we could so the camera will have its presence as we thought it is important.
Things are different now and in a way everything is lightweight, small and handy. Still I do think too small maybe an impact not only ergonomically working with it, but also on rental prices and the producers and crew that will work with it. Producers may see it more as a HDSLR camera and prefer other cameras like Alexa (I have already heard that from producers only by the way the Alexa looks).
Have I mentioned predictably irrational?

Industrial design can be a real bitch. I know what you are saying that unless the camera is all “dollied” up and looks like a freaking Panzer (tank) intent on taking Stalingrad, that some people think this can’t be “movie” camera. I honestly think, that psychologically that RED got the balance perfectly right, in terms of look, weight, feel and functionality.

My applications are much more “geeky” and would have liked to see the epic “brain” cut down to a veritable “brain-stem” by comparison, and have the sensor and first stage electronics cabled to a second unit that could be mounted elsewhere. There are probably very good reasons, not to do this in terms of signal integrity and processing. But if the camera/sensor was broken out to be smaller into a “geekier” implementation, then Psychologically it would “bomb” in the film market. However, as soon as technicians etc. get used to the EPIC from factor they might become more used to and appreciative of smaller more capable “instruments”.

The psychology of size... hmmmm…, well, there is this idea that people that really NEED big “tools” may be compensating for something else that might be lacking??? Perhaps if Epics were sprayed Ferrari Red that they might corner the “mid-life crisis” market, like what Hasselblad is trying to do…

www.hasselbladusa.com/promotions/h4d-40-ferrari-edition.aspx

[Yeah, for real; Hasselblad sprays their cameras cherry red and stick a Ferrari badge on the side of it, I kid you not, for a limited edition of 500; what’s next Faberge football helmets?].

Hey Jim, can’t you spray it red and stick a Ferrari sticker on the Epic [+ a year's free supply of Viagra?],

(please don't tell me that you own one...)

Yeah I know, you’re gonna say, you got call from Ferrari and they want to spary their cars matt black and stick RED ONE badges all over them!

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Terry, the fact that thousands of people may buy the Epic doesn't necessarily means it is not too small. People tends to make mistakes predictably irrational.
Tools need to be in the right size, cellular phones, keyboards and so are cameras. Back in the nineties when we were shooting 7 episodes of the TV series Grand Slam (http://www.film.com/tv/grand-slam/21329506), the last episode, as a tryout was shot with Arriflex 16mm SR camera while the 6th before it were shot on 35mm. We left the big matte box and whatever we could so the camera will have its presence as we thought it is important.
Things are different now and in a way everything is lightweight, small and handy. Still I do think too small maybe an impact not only ergonomically working with it, but also on rental prices and the producers and crew that will work with it. Producers may see it more as a HDSLR camera and prefer other cameras like Alexa (I have already heard that from producers only by the way the Alexa looks).
Have I mentioned predictably irrational?

Oh, you misunderstood me. I am trying to support this thought so that the demand for Epic will plummet and I can buy one for about the price of the Scarlet. Of course, Scarlet, coincidentally being WAY "too small," will also drop in price from lack of demand!! :skep:

My comment was meant to be nothing more than friendly sarcasm. I do find it funny that, on one side, you've got people arguing that a 5D is professional - because, after all, they film House and everything else on it (but they forget about quality issues), while, on the other side, the argument is that a camera has to be big enough to be somewhat intimidating or it won't be taken seriously. Personally, I just think things are changing and RED is very much leading that charge with small and light as well as super, super high quality images; the absolute best of both worlds.:thumbup1:

 

[Brook Willard]

So Brook,

Are the only mounting holes on the front bridge of the camera as shown in the specs from Jarred?

Yes, the design that Jarred posted is indicative of the most recent design I've used.

 

[Pawel Achtel]

The dimensions posted by Jarred do not seem to include side SSD module. Is there an option to back mount a recording module (for mounting cameras close to each other, for 3D, for example?

 

[Abel Vaccaro]

I am starting to work on a custom enclosure for an Epic to mount on our helicopter. Can anyone give me dimensions for the brain?

We will be running a minimalist setup....something similar to our AF100 mount which you can see here:

http://www.vimeo.com/18694223


Thanks for any help!

Tabb

i love your works! i can't imagine your picture in 5k with your helicopter and your Gymble
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