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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic Closeups...

Hopefully it will be cheaper than an entire 7D....
 
Tom said:
Hopefully it will be cheaper than an entire 7D....
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Whoa, you think its possible that the Bomb EVF is sub $1699?
 
Hmmm, things are progressing nicely. I love the stuff you guys are developing at RED. The sensor size, frame rates and high quality codec at an affordable price point for me are the main draws. I still dream of a RED camera on a regular basis but my practical concerns about the rest of the system's suitability for my intended use grow the longer the time I have for the buzz of excitement to wear off.
I will likely be shooting a lot of handheld work on Documentaries and the slr style modular grip looks like it would be really uncomfortable for this(and doesn't have a zoom rocker control). I realise that these images are of the EPIC and I will however only be able to afford a Scarlet - (probably a 2/3" for on the fly focus pull practicality though I love the extra shallow DOF available in larger sensors and really want to shoot stills and Video but can't quite stretch to the s35 model). Presumably part of the Scarlet's target market is still the soccer mom's through Documentary makers to Indie filmmakers as mentioned before the redesign to modular DSMC so therefore handycam and EFP style controls, automation and ergonomics are important factors for the target markets. The mention of touch point autofocusing elsewhere demonstrates that autofocus is part of the plan for the system somewhere but beyond touch screen points I can't yet see where. With Red proudcing a range of 2/3" lenses that don't appear to incorporate motorized zoom rocker and AF handles like common broadcast lenses do (judging by the renders) I'd imagine they must have focus and zoom motors incorporated into the lens, therefore control would be on another camera module. Hopefully one is coming that will be more ergonomic for on the shoulder shooting than the SLR style handle? Sitting at an almost horizontal rather than vertical angle? Maybe twistable to adjust for maximum comfort?

Also the IO module looks promisingly practical with full sized XLR's (I wont have to replace all my cables or get lots of adapters) but only 2 XLR inputs are shown. I'm thinking that only one side of the module was shown so there could be more on the other sides,..right? Otherwise I guess you could stack em? Up to 10 io modules to record up to 20 audio channels in sync? Overkill maybe ;-). Specially as you would end up with so many video I/O ports. Perhaps a separate audio I/O module to add and stack with proper hardwired pots for level control and a ppm display? 4 Channels is really a Minimum for my kind of work.

Whadda you say Jarred can I get my RED powered killer EFP cam that's cheaper than any other shoulder mounted 2/3" HD cam out there for TV production, then use it to occasionally shoot Dramas and Cinema stuff of a more considered nature when I get the time/chance?
 
for this kind of news is why i get in troubles.. i was going to buy a 50" scarlet tv because i wasn't think that the camera was going to be released on January or so, now i do have to decide to keep looking on a 20 inch tube and buy the camera or buy the tv first and wait anyway for the camera till next year.. :( I just want my scarlet.... hey btw the $3750 for the fixed one is operational right out the box?
 
R.A.P. Maduro said:
hey btw the $3750 for the fixed one is operational right out the box?
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Last we know...Yes. No reason why they'd change that so I think its safe to say a permanent yes. =]
 
Quentin_B said:
Hmmm, things are progressing nicely. I love the stuff you guys are developing at RED. The sensor size, frame rates and high quality codec at an affordable price point for me are the main draws. I still dream of a RED camera on a regular basis but my practical concerns about the rest of the system's suitability for my intended use grow the longer the time I have for the buzz of excitement to wear off.
I will likely be shooting a lot of handheld work on Documentaries and the slr style modular grip looks like it would be really uncomfortable for this(and doesn't have a zoom rocker control). I realise that these images are of the EPIC and I will however only be able to afford a Scarlet - (probably a 2/3" for on the fly focus pull practicality though I love the extra shallow DOF available in larger sensors and really want to shoot stills and Video but can't quite stretch to the s35 model). Presumably part of the Scarlet's target market is still the soccer mom's through Documentary makers to Indie filmmakers as mentioned before the redesign to modular DSMC so therefore handycam and EFP style controls, automation and ergonomics are important factors for the target markets. The mention of touch point autofocusing elsewhere demonstrates that autofocus is part of the plan for the system somewhere but beyond touch screen points I can't yet see where. With Red proudcing a range of 2/3" lenses that don't appear to incorporate motorized zoom rocker and AF handles like common broadcast lenses do (judging by the renders) I'd imagine they must have focus and zoom motors incorporated into the lens, therefore control would be on another camera module. Hopefully one is coming that will be more ergonomic for on the shoulder shooting than the SLR style handle? Sitting at an almost horizontal rather than vertical angle? Maybe twistable to adjust for maximum comfort?

Also the IO module looks promisingly practical with full sized XLR's (I wont have to replace all my cables or get lots of adapters) but only 2 XLR inputs are shown. I'm thinking that only one side of the module was shown so there could be more on the other sides,..right? Otherwise I guess you could stack em? Up to 10 io modules to record up to 20 audio channels in sync? Overkill maybe ;-). Specially as you would end up with so many video I/O ports. Perhaps a separate audio I/O module to add and stack with proper hardwired pots for level control and a ppm display? 4 Channels is really a Minimum for my kind of work.

Whadda you say Jarred can I get my RED powered killer EFP cam that's cheaper than any other shoulder mounted 2/3" HD cam out there for TV production, then use it to occasionally shoot Dramas and Cinema stuff of a more considered nature when I get the time/chance?
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SOCCER MOMS?????????????
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Whoa, you think its possible that the Bomb EVF is sub $1699?
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I don't now. I mean, if you can get a whole camera for $1,700, why not a viewfinder? Then again, I don't know anything about what it takes to build something like this. Obviously the economies of scale are much different than a 7D. I was just trying to give some perspective.

Sometimes, if I spend like a couple grand on a lens, for example, I will stop and think to myself: "WTF. I could have bought a motorcycle for this price." Or gone to Africa for 5 weeks, or whatever.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Whoa, you think its possible that the Bomb EVF is sub $1699?
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Possibly, size reduction should help and volume from lower price could bring about cost reduction as well. RED EVF at $2950 was expensive enough to make me keep putting off buying it until now it's too late. Smaller, better, and cheaper at say $1500 makes it a no-brainer. If it is significantly more you start thinking about just using your RED LCD and what other things you could use the money for - better mattebox, better lens, etc.

OOPS missed Tom's post - but that's what I meant.

Tom said:
I don't now. I mean, if you can get a whole camera for $1,700, why not a viewfinder? Then again, I don't know anything about what it takes to build something like this. Obviously the economies of scale are much different than a 7D. I was just trying to give some perspective.

Sometimes, if I spend like a couple grand on a lens, for example, I will stop and think to myself: "WTF. I could have bought a motorcycle for this price." Or gone to Africa for 5 weeks, or whatever.
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Thanks for sharing!
 
Tom said:
I don't now. I mean, if you can get a whole camera for $1,700, why not a viewfinder? Then again, I don't know anything about what it takes to build something like this. Obviously the economies of scale are much different than a 7D. I was just trying to give some perspective.

Sometimes, if I spend like a couple grand on a lens, for example, I will stop and think to myself: "WTF. I could have bought a motorcycle for this price." Or gone to Africa for 5 weeks, or whatever.
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me too, but comparing to other brands red is throwing their EVF away.

guess its the volume.

for 25 k usd you get a new VW GOLF6, and think of the shit its inside the car.

the difference is they sell millions of them.

we are talking about under 7000 EVFs in total maybe
 
But still no talk about when? And how long after Epic-X will Monstro come out?

These are the truly relevant questions to me. . .

Stephen
 
Stephen Pruitt said:
But still no talk about when? And how long after Epic-X will Monstro come out?

These are the truly relevant questions to me. . .

Stephen
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I believe the word was monstro is going to follow by about a year if i'm not mistaken?

Great pics! Thanks for posting.
 
A year, huh? That might force me into Epic-X. . . or, possibly, just upgrade my One. It all depends, doesn't it?

:-)

Stephen
 
Cüneyt Kaya said:
we are talking about under 7000 EVFs in total maybe
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I really don't think so. Keep in mind that the EVF works with Scarlet alongside the Epic line, and they can't price it too far out of that system range. At the low end, Scarlet costs $3,000 and they are going to sell a bazillion of those. I think that it has the potential to decimate the entire HVX/EX1/XLH1 market. There are millions of those cameras out there. And while one can use a regular LCD monitor for composing shots, I think that most people are going to want an EVF - especially since they're really hitting the "DSMC" tag hard. I have no clue how many they'll actually sell but my guess is a lot more than 7,000.
 
Is that a marking ring on the diopter on the viewfinder? That would be stellar. now when that lousy hippie smelling dit looks through my camera while I'm 10-1, and he doesn't reset my diopter, I can bust him on it AND set it back to my setting ;-)

Nick
 
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