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Epic and thievery...

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This topic may be addressed more to the RED team but also wanted thoughts from everyone out there.

Many thefts of RED One in the world. My thoughts are more toward Epic than the RED One.

RED is a relatively small community. I have under my red one body a serial number loud and clear. I'm not sure if every red one has this but I think it was a great idea. I'm sure Epic with have the same of sorts.

Couple things:

Could there be an accessible list for anyone to view at given times to see which camera bodies have been snatched? In case they're come across in the wild.

Also, keeping what has happened before in mind, could there be a gameplan for upcoming Epics to be found if stolen. We could access the list, know where to check questionable cameras and use this network; all this to cut down on thefts.

I know Red has their own way to deal with it,, but for redusers to have access to simple threads or tools that make this better.

Just thinking before the cameras are let out in the world...

btw: what happens if a red one is stolen now? Even if insurance covers the cost, will the owner forfeit right to Epic upgrade.

Chime in yall':dupe:
 
I've said this before but it would not be hard to put a GSM chip and a GPS chip in the epic boards so they can broadcast their location if needed. It could be done on startup, so it does not interfere with anything while you are shooting.

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Uuuh.. The Epic boards HAVE a GPS chip :-) With a little 3rd party love, you could have a "Find my Epic" utility pretty easily.

From Jim... "EPIC-X FEATURES....3 Axis internal motion sensor, built in GPS receiver" I assume these features will carry over to standard Epics as well.
 
Your concerns have been heard.

Meet the new member of the RED team.

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Fortunately, he has agreed to work for free sunglasses.
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
Uuuh.. The Epic boards HAVE a GPS chip :-) With a little 3rd party love, you could have a "Find my Epic" utility pretty easily.

From Jim... "EPIC-X FEATURES....3 Axis internal motion sensor, built in GPS receiver" I assume these features will carry over to standard Epics as well.
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A receiver yes... but as long as it's not also a transmitter, you won't be able to track the device, right? I think the GPS board is only for geotagging your media.
 
Peter Matthes said:
Your concerns have been heard.

Meet the new member of the RED team.

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Fortunately, he has agreed to work for free sunglasses.
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RED has received a better offer from a way more dedicated individual and agreed to replace the Dog with him:

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:devil: Peter
 
Ive always thought it would be a good idea to have a Sticky thread with every stolen camera serial in that thread. For quick and dirty database. As long as there are no objections by RED to having it...
 
Ace said:
Ive always thought it would be a good idea to have a Sticky thread with every stolen camera serial in that thread. For quick and dirty database. As long as there are no objections by RED to having it...
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I think the databse should be secret, but you should be able to do a check with RED whether a particular number is on it or not.

I think it would make it more effective as the thief would not know whether the number has or has not been reported and whether a buyer has or not verified the number. Unsuspecting, more will be caught...
 
Pawel Achtel said:
I think the databse should be secret, but you should be able to do a check with RED whether a particular number is on it or not.

I think it would make it more effective as the thief would not know whether the number has or has not been reported and whether a buyer has or not verified the number. Unsuspecting, more will be caught...
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Keeping it secret kind of defeats the purpose of the community keeping a watchful eye out...
 
The GPS thing should be carefully considered. Having a database of Red operators' positions, even if it's a thief, owned by a corporate, is a total violation of some laws protecting people. For instance, in France, even a small database of customers, say, adresses, names, emails, must be declared to the CNIL, an organization which is controlling this. And I don't even talk about GPS position : I love Red, but I won't let them know where I am and what I'm doing with their gear.

There's an institution for this, boys : it's called Police. And some of you who think they should organize in militias watch too much tv.
 
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Jean-Charles Wolfarth said:
There's an institution for this, boys : it's called Police. And some of you who think they should organize in militias watch too much tv.
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You probably didn't have anything valuable stolen from you and then having to wait and watch for the 'Police' doing absolutely nothing about it.

The GPS tracking of the camera is a great idea and something that would make me sleep a little bit better in the night.

:-)
 
if the cameras already have wi-fi enabled, which has been stated, then this is an easy answer:

have the cameras check in with red.com whenever they see an open wireless network to check and see if they are "stolen", and if so, phone home. or worse, brick themselves and only then activate a GPS and transmit the location.

oh, and also check themselves for fingerprints.
 
J. Bernard Vallon said:
if the cameras already have wi-fi enabled, which has been stated, then this is an easy answer:

have the cameras check in with red.com whenever they see an open wireless network to check and see if they are "stolen", and if so, phone home. or worse, brick themselves and only then activate a GPS and transmit the location.

oh, and also check themselves for fingerprints.
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I don't think bricking the cameras is the right way to go - once the camera is bricked, it becomes useless to the thief (because they can't use or sell it) so they're likely to just dispose of it. You'd have more chance of getting your camera back if it stays functional, so it can be picked up when they try to sell it or if somebody buys it and sends it back for a service...
 
Pawel Achtel said:
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I think it would make it more effective as the thief would not know whether the number has or has not been reported and whether a buyer has or not verified the number. Unsuspecting, more will be caught...
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?You mean somebody with a stolen cam would'nt report it?

I thinks that every REDOne has (usually) an insurance and if stolen it would be reported to the insurance company.

Remember that all R3D files have a DNA-watermark of the camera on wich it was shot. So if the material is grade on a Scratch system it would be detected.

Pat
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
You probably didn't have anything valuable stolen from you and then having to wait and watch for the 'Police' doing absolutely nothing about it.

The GPS tracking of the camera is a great idea and something that would make me sleep a little bit better in the night.

:-)
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Why not just get theft insurance? Like you said the police have not helped you in the past. What makes you think that they are going to go and track your camera? Or are you going to go vigilante and possibly pose risk to your own life over a camera? Yes, insurance claim processing would/could be a hassle but really is Red or your local police department supposed to send out a task force over your camera?
 
Privacy does raise a concern but just the fact that serial #'s are accessible on the camera and a list of stolen cameras out there would be more than our current system of posting random threads.

Of course, the owner would need to post about it. Also, it's kind of a negative grouping of sorts and might feel a tad bit 'guardian angel', for those of you that know what I'm talking about.
 
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