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Epic a Phantom Killer?

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Stephen Williams said:
Jim,

The bet was about the majority of major Studio features with a budget over 50 million being shot digitaly AND released in the first half 2011.

Films that use a mix of film & digital or are purchased by the studios don't count.

My best,

Stephen
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Do you bet that this will happen before, in 2011 or after 2011?

BTW: The cinema operators organisation in north america estimate 2011/12 to be the crossing line, when mechanical projection will be the minority. IMAX will be there much sooner it seems, as they plan to completly change from mechanics to digital before 2011.
 
laguun said:
Do you bet that this will happen before, in 2011 or after 2011?

BTW: The cinema operators organisation in north america estimate 2011/12 to be the crossing line, when mechanical projection will be the minority. IMAX will be there much sooner it seems, as they plan to completly change from mechanics to digital before 2011.
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Hi,

The bet is about Major Studio features shot 100% Digitally. (Epic being the ultimate film slayer) My bet is it won't happen by the first half of 2011

As you know many films shot on 35mm go through a DI so are suitable for digital projection.

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

The bet is about Major Studio features shot 100% Digitally. (Epic being the ultimate film slayer) My bet is it won't happen by the first half of 2011

As you know many films shot on 35mm go through a DI so are suitable for digital projection.

Stephen
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A lot of new, unforeseeable developments will occur before 2011 that will alter the movie-making and movie-projection technologies.

It is possible that RED may become de-facto standard in Hollywood by 2011.
It is possible that by 2011, Celluloid film will not be used in movie-making or movie-projection.

A lot will depend on what Sony and other Hollywood powers do in the next few years.
 
I always thought that a switch to digital projection would be more difficult than a switch to digital acquisition. Even now, as a function of %, there are only a miniscule amount of digital theaters.

I think that theatre owners have little incentive to switch out 100k film projectors to digital ones. Remember, they don't pay for the prints, so they wouldn't see much savings.

It has been suggested that the distributors would need to somehow share the savings with the theaters to get them to switch.

Chris
 
Hi Chris & Lawerence
It's been suggested a major shift away from theatricial exhibition
is in the works anyway. By 2011 we could see many hollywood movies FREE, available for download on the internet with sponsors like Coke, Nike, you name it. Three years is a very long time in the film industry these days.
One things for sure, what films are shot/shown on in the future will become less
of an issue and finding an audience the main consideration.
Mezmo
 
JanneSFE said:
Go for it Tom!

If you go by the very scientific method of how big data flow will be, and factor in the "genius billionaire" variable, I'll bet the Epic'll handle 2500 fps @ HD720, thus beating the crap out of the Phantom :)
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Of course there's always the new Phantom V12.1, which will go to nearly 7000fps at 1280x720, with a sensor size at that frame rate that is as big as 35mm and an ISO of about 2000.

Horses for courses.
 
Jannard said:
Just to go on record... we have a great deal of respect for the Phantom. We didn't start this thread. And while we are guilty of poking fun at "others" every once in awhile... never at Vision Research. I love that these guys were brave and built something important to the industry. You will never hear a bad word from RED about the Phantom.

If the "bet" was somehow connected to them, I need to read all the posts... which I haven't done. I thought the bet was a cast-over from another board and not related to the Phantom.

Jim
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Whole lotta love. I think the fact that these two cameras are constantly in use together on set shows how well they complement one another.
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

The bet is about Major Studio features shot 100% Digitally. (Epic being the ultimate film slayer) My bet is it won't happen by the first half of 2011

As you know many films shot on 35mm go through a DI so are suitable for digital projection.

Stephen
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Stephen... I think that this question/bet even comes up is a miracle. Wasn't long ago we were a less than 2K scam. Now the bet is whether or not our "film alternative" will contribute to a 2011 "digital take-over". Interesting indeed.

I think it will be a close call, but I'd put my money on "yes". Who is the judge?

Jim
 
Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

The bet is about Major Studio features shot 100% Digitally. (Epic being the ultimate film slayer) My bet is it won't happen by the first half of 2011

As you know many films shot on 35mm go through a DI so are suitable for digital projection.

Stephen
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I am surprised - that sounds pretty fast. I see mechanical cameras with chemical film being the minority in their last stronghold, cinema, as well soon, but 100%?
 
Jannard said:
Stephen... I think that this question/bet even comes up is a miracle. Wasn't long ago we were a less than 2K scam. Now the bet is whether or not our "film alternative" will contribute to a 2011 "digital take-over". Interesting indeed.

I think it will be a close call, but I'd put my money on "yes". Who is the judge?

Jim
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Hi Jim,

Hardly a Miracle such predictions have been going on for over 50 years, one day if the prediction is made often enough it will eventually become true. The percentage today fullfulling the requirements is rather low.

I proposed David Mullen as judge.

My best,

Stephen
 
too much funny.. see you Jim taking in consideration these guys here or anywhere.. where they're used to bash you.. or where jarred has been so violently shaken.. just because he has the job or partnership you've been offering to.. him.

same job these HATERS would kill for.. one of them, mr williams.. stephen williams has now found a new sport.. deleting all non-political posts.. exactly the same they're used to say about reduser.. or dvxuser before.
 
LawrenceDinkins said:
A lot of new, unforeseeable developments will occur before 2011 that will alter the movie-making and movie-projection technologies.
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You know this how?
LawrenceDinkins said:
It is possible that RED may become de-facto standard in Hollywood by 2011.
It is possible that by 2011, Celluloid film will not be used in movie-making or movie-projection.
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It's possible martians will land on Jim's front lawn and out of pity for what they see as his technological ineptitude give him the secret to a new technology that will make everything (Film RED, Epic, Scarlet etc) obsolete:sarcasm:

It's possible that some Middle Eastern Sheik will die and due to a clerical error, I will be named as the main beneficiary in his estate of 40 billion dollars and I will go on to develop a new technology that will make everything (Film RED, Epic, Scarlet etc) obsolete:sarcasm:

It's possible martians will land on my front lawn and of course the Army will surround them shoot the first one who comes out before he even gets a chance to say "Take me to your leader" and this big robot will switch all the power off for an hour, crashing all of RED's computers and wiping all their engineering files and we'll be back to square one.:sarcasm:

It's also possible everything will remain pretty much as it is now.

Which is what I would bet.
 
Many technological advancements in mavie making and distribution and projection, are expected within the next few years.
Quick adoption of new technologies is not guaranteed though.

Even though Sony has no plans to compete with a $17K RED,
their entry into the 4K Camera arena would legitimize the RED revolution.
 
After seeing how difficult it is to build a camera in this day and age, I have new found respect for all the players. I especially have respect for Arri and what they have brought to the industry over many years. If digital is to ever replace film, many things have to still have to happen. We are headed down that road, along with a few others. Time will tell if the cross-over point is 2010, 2011 or 2020. But I think everyone knows the day will come.

Jim
 
KnockOutFilms said:
I always thought that a switch to digital projection would be more difficult than a switch to digital acquisition. Even now, as a function of %, there are only a miniscule amount of digital theaters.

I think that theatre owners have little incentive to switch out 100k film projectors to digital ones. Remember, they don't pay for the prints, so they wouldn't see much savings.

It has been suggested that the distributors would need to somehow share the savings with the theaters to get them to switch.

Chris
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There's nothing to stop them from running digital and film projectors side-by-side, which is exactly what a lot of theaters are doing right now.

Digital projectors are convenient but good ones aren't cheap and the lamp life is not terribly good either. Considering that some luxury cars are now using high-power white LEDs for headlights instead of Halogen or discharge lamps, that might be the tech breakthrough the industry has been needing.

LEDS offer no heat, no UV, no IR, constant color temperature, instant control of brightness for superior blacks, long life, and with mass production, low cost. You could even have separate banks of red, green and blue LEDs to eliminate the first color splitter prism.

So how's that 4K RED Cinema projector coming Jim? :wink:
 
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