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EOS - EPIC size difference

That really is quite a telling comparison. Magic, indeed!

Jim, I know you're busy there working on the impossible, but how about spending an afternoon in Washington working toward a budget deal?

Stephen
 
Jannard said:
This would probably be a good time to remind our customers that we shot high with the specs and size of EPIC. I don't think anything like this has ever been attempted by anyone before. It seems like it takes a "new" company that "is too dumb to know what not to do" to try something like this.

Our team fought some impressive obstacles to get these type of specs crammed into a little body. Since we really had no idea what we were doing... it shouldn't surprise anyone that we were late in finishing this project.

I guess the real news is that we haven't learned our lesson yet. We have more impossible tricks planned for the future... :-)

Jim
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If you never stop dreaming, it is amazing what you can realize.
 
Post a pic comparing the camera bodies.

Please?
 
Jim,
I am speechless. :-)

I am interested to know who decides the specs. I understand you had the original dream to create this RED Magic. However, who decides these 5k 120 fps or 300 fps etc etc. Don't others in your team shoot down the dreamer/dreamers?

Its tough to dream. Not everyone can dream.

Cheers,
Sabyasachi

Jannard said:
The weight is:

Canon = 1080P at 24fps with 4:1 line skipping

EPIC = 5K at 120fps with no line skipping.

Jim
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Mark Toia said:
This is the reason, why I never use mine... Once the RED canon mounts turn up for sale, My 5d & MKV will be sold off the next day.
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In my case I'll wait. I also do photography and I don't see that the EPIC is necessarily a killer for the 7D. I'd still like to know how easy will be to take flash photographs with the Epic. I haven't got my EPIC with me yet, so it might be stupid to comment on something I havent got, but for just photography I have a feeling that the 7D it'll be much more confortable to use it. With the epic, you need either the EVF or the touch LCD. and then it becomes much bulkier than just the 7D. It was said so long time again that there will be some kind of synchronization system for strobes, but now with my 7D and ETTL flash, you are set, and it's definitively smaller.

I can see the big fashion studios can do video and photo with a bunch of HMIs, but still strobe photography is the majority. So in the photo world I still believe Canon will dominate. But definitively in sports photography and as I said really big budget photoshoots, then Epic has its space. And let's not forget that a 7D plus lenses can be a little bit over $2,000

So definitively for for moving images, the EPIC will work for me 100% of the times, since now the size is pretty much the same, but for photography still is a different story.
And the sad truth is that for many projects still many people don't want to pay the extra and they'll shoot it on 5Ds, so why would they now pay for the EPIC which will be probably be substantially more that the actual Redone rates?

I still believe that both Canon and EPIC are different things and necessarily don't see it as either this or that.
 
I agree that any time I do motion the Epic (after I buy one) will be my camera of choice, but I don't think that it will replace any of my Canon DSLR's at least for a while. While the Epic does have a great sensor, I don't now that I would choose it over my 5D, for a project that is stills only. Yet.
 
Robert Frank said:
It is an amazing achievement certainly.





It would be news if RED didn't have more impossible stuff in the works.


And I just realized, I'll think I'll sell my 5dMK2. After seeing these two side by side, I made my choice.

OK,I'm serious here is the link: FS: 5DMK2
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How do you expect somebody will buy your cam after ;looking at this pic?
 
Mark made a wrong comparison.

Epic has nothing to compare with 5DMK2.

5DMK2 has FF35 sized sensor and Epic has S35mm.

Apples and oranges...

If it could be Canon 7D then it should be a right comparison.
 
Sabyasachi Patra said:
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I am interested to know who decides the specs. I understand you had the original dream to create this RED Magic. However, who decides these 5k 120 fps or 300 fps etc etc....
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Cool Hand Luke?


edit: The character played by Paul Newman in the movie by the same name who boasted to the other members of the chain gang he could eat some ungodly amount of boiled eggs, and was taking bets. Something like 50 or 60 eggs as I recall. His fellow prisoner, played by George Kennedy and who was his sidekick asked him why he said he could eat so many? He could have gotten just as many bets if he had said half that many.

2nd edit: Just found the quote:
Dragline: Why you got to go and say fifty eggs for? Why not thirty-five or thirty-nine?
Luke: I thought it was a nice round number.
 
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Thanks for physical comparison it really makes things crystal clear, one of the reason for me to go for stage 2 Epic was the Epic size. The fact that I shoot a lot of Natural History/Wildlife at times, a fully kitted RED ONE with 500mm lens
can be quite cumbersome to setup and shoot in under a minute. Thus the Epic size will be ideal while hiking/climbing and can be carried fully kitted all the time. But this does not take away anything from the RED ONE, its the best camera I
have owned and produces Stunning images today and in the future second only to the Epic.

So for those who have waited for the Epic especially those who own the RED ONE, we already have the best of rest, and whatever you plan to shoot with Epic can be shot with the RED ONE, yes the size of the Epic will make a difference.
But in no way will it make any difference to producing a better film, and by better I mean, .5 higher resolution, better low light capability etc etc? We only make good or bad films, and if you think you will make a better film with an Epic then
a RED ONE then I think you will be waiting forever, because after the Epic there will be, Monstro then ?????. To all those who own a RED Camera YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CAMERA TO PRODUCE THE BEST, FROM A TECHNICAL POINT OF VIEW, JUST DO IT.

Jim posted today of the chain that started with Peter Jackson, well if he did not do what he did in 2006 with RED ONE, excepting the camera for what it was we would be on a different camera planet.
Definitely not better off given the history of camera manufacturers.

This also puts the earlier discussion on Epic Stage 2-3 in perspective.

Yet I am eagerly looking forward to the EPIC, but in the meantime I have the RED ONE.

Yusuf Thakur
Dubai, UAE
 
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