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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

element technica breakout box first look...

Connectors

Connectors

Akube said:
what i dont get is... you can get a 17.5k camera.. and wait two years for it. but you can't get plugs and mini bncr cables.

the whole design is compact... mini xlr.. mini bnc.. mini stuff. i mean do like the normal xlr plugs... the normal bnc plugs... and i know it can be a pain in the ass to go.. place an order.. wait a week for them cables/adapters to arrive. you gotta love the hdmi out... i love that. but come on... cut the guys some slack, because back then.. we were drooling at red photos with those connectors... and i can't remember the point being raised well for bnc's.

Plus.. we should've mentioned this long time ago. when reds were in pre-prod. i wish i raised this issue when i had the chance. anyways... its kinda too late to start yapping now. it isn't entirely RED's fault to have those outputs that way. they showed us that a looong time ago and we could have said.. yay or nay way before they started production.
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The USB analogy raised is a pretty good one I think. As a natural byproduct of RED-ONE cameras shipping there will certainly be more DIN and mini-XLR interface choices designed to fit the needs of our end users. Some will follow the above illustrated adaptor path, and some will follow the adaptor cable path that at RED supply with the camera. I think within a few months we will be surprised what options are available to choose from.
 
digitalfx said:
they do have a 90, but you would need a mini to xlr 90. bottom line is this would put too much stress on the camera connection, hence the breakout box.
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Thanks for responding digitalfx, although now I'm a little more confused. Thought we were talking about the sdi outs, not the audio outs....
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
everyone had the chance to speak up months and months ago. A few people questioned the choice and then just shrugged and said OK. Nobody made a stink over the mini connectors...
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Love Ya Jeff but your wrong. I raised a big stink saying mini BNC and mini XLR's were bush league!
 
Finner said:
Love Ya Jeff but your wrong. I raised a big stink saying mini BNC and mini XLR's were bush league!
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Really? I missed out on that one. Hmmm...
 
Ya, but I kind of raise a stink about everything.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Really? I missed out on that one. Hmmm...
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I griped about it right alongside Finner. And others did too. But I do think a lot of RED users just ignored it. We wanted volume pots too. I know I wanted a breakout cable terminal built into the camera. I begged for that... now what's the first thing we see people building? Friggin' breakout monstrosities...

I hate to say I told you so...
 
im sure they'll fix it one day. XLR's can be pretty bulky things to integrate though but man should this thing have had BNC's for video from day one. Love to know the reasoning behind it but from the very first renders i saw i thought those mini BNC things would not last 5 minutes on any real world set.
 
Jashunter said:
...but from the very first renders i saw i thought those mini BNC things would not last 5 minutes on any real world set.
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The funny thing to me that with about 500 cameras in the field and hundreds upon hundreds of "real world" production days across those cameras... I've not heard of a single mini BNC breaking.

Don't get me wrong, the breakout box is a VERY welcome product that I can't wait to get my hands on... but those mini BNC things are pretty freakin' tough.
 
Brook Willard said:
The funny thing to me that with about 500 cameras in the field and hundreds upon hundreds of "real world" production days across those cameras... I've not heard of a single mini BNC breaking.
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I've had 2 break on me during a month long shoot. They aren't the most solidly built cables, but in their defense I will say that they weren't always rip-tied off.

Some constructive criticism about the breakout box.........

I think it's a bad idea to have the direction of the BNC's running out back toward the operator.

All that will do is create more clutter on the back end of the camera, which I HATE.

If possible, please direct the cables out in the same direction that the RED mini's do, there is no need for more clutter and cabling (especially stiff, difficult to direct bnc cables) hanging off the back of the cam pointed towards the operator, just doesn't make sense.

A simple solution would be 90d bnc male to female adapters.....If these came stock with the box, that would be great.
 
Brook Willard said:
I've not heard of a single mini BNC breaking.
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That's because nobody is using them right now. Wait until we get to sym outputs on Build 15 and 1000 cameras in the field.
 
Alexander Nikishin said:
I think it's a bad idea to have the direction of the BNC's running out back toward the operator.

All that will do is create more clutter on the back end of the camera, which I HATE.
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Have to disagree with you Alexander. The cables facing back is the best part of the breakout box. I bet the reason many of the minis have broken is because they face sideways. Every proffesional camera I have used faces the cables back. Clutter on the camera is always safest and best at the back which is why the controls should have been put on the smart side and all the inputs on the back.
 
Brook Willard said:
Cables or the actual on-camera plugs? I've nuked a bunch of those crappy little cables... but I've yet to kill the on-camera plugs.
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Yeah, 5 plugs? If that's the case then there's a serious problem. I'd also guess that since multiple video ports haven't been enabled that most people aren't using them as much as they might in the future.

Where do you get mini to standard BNC cables?
 
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