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Eject Media before power down?

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It seems that powering down the Epic without first ejecting the media is a no no. I always assumed that powering down acted as a media eject but when I power back up I get a warning about media integrity and that the SSD wasn't ejected properly.

Want to do the right thing so can someone clarify? Guessing you should always eject, even if you are about to power down?
 
ALWAYS EJECT! i know it is a pain in the ass, but this has been the case since day one with the red one and now the epic and scarlet, not doing it puts your media at risk of damage.
 
Are you pulling power or using the shutdown button?
 
Would never pull power, using the shutdown button. Sometimes when I power up next time it says I didn't power down properly, even though I did.
 
dino g said:
ALWAYS EJECT! i know it is a pain in the ass, but this has been the case since day one with the red one and now the epic and scarlet, not doing it puts your media at risk of damage.
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Thanks Dino, good advice. Happy to comply, just needed to know what the deal was.
 
dino g said:
ALWAYS EJECT! i know it is a pain in the ass, but this has been the case since day one with the red one and now the epic and scarlet, not doing it puts your media at risk of damage.
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I have never had a single problem removing media while the camera is turned off with Red One and CF cards.
It's the same as a computer!
Must have done it a thousand times....
 
dino g said:
ALWAYS EJECT! i know it is a pain in the ass, but this has been the case since day one with the red one and now the epic and scarlet, not doing it puts your media at risk of damage.
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Really? Can we get another confirmation on this? I have been pulling media after power down with no problems. If it really is true and important then I'll start ejecting before power down, but i assumed the camera is nothing but a computer and would act that way.
 
I've never done it on my RED although I've seen many others do it religiously. I've never had a problem. I have had the same 2 drives since I started and never had any data loss (except for the time I reformatted it accidentally and had to pray to the God of REDUNDEAD)
 
In three years of running my Red I have never ejected media before power down and I have never had a single problem. If that is right with the epic it is going to be a major pain. I can see that rule being broken again and again on set.
 
I've NEVER done that in 4 years with R1 to Epic.....If this is what is recommended....this is first i have heard. What is wrong with powering down the camera (with media mounted) from the power button on the menu??

Would be very surprised that we need to go and eject media, then power down; then insert media and repower for another shot.....WEIRD!
 
Deanan, can you confirm what the proper procedure is?

Thank you.
 
eject the media when you're ejecting it, just to be sure. otherwise, powercycle as much as you want when it's being left in.

i don't think you can lose any data by not ejecting, but the camera might get confused, and it'll make you feel better if it doesn't.
 
in the early days we were told to eject as this was the only way the red one wrote to the log file, simply powering down did not create a log entry on the media. moreover with a spinning drive, red raid, it is also good practice to eject media prior to a powercycle to stop the spinning. it is a habit i have followed religiously since september of 2007 and i try and get the ac's to follow suit, not so easy sometimes. it would be nice to know from deanan if this still should be followed as he was the person that told me to do this in the first place.

dino
 
Michael Thornton said:
I have never seen the message about the media and I have one of the first RED ONE and now Epic.
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i received my red one #0031 on september 07, 2007. i am certain you received yours well after that when the one on one accessibility to the founding group was more limited. perhaps the message was not disseminated as freely at that time. however i have posted dozens of times about this and there are many many stories about rental house drives that failed because of this issue.
 
we're not using spinning drives now, though (mostly) - so that should not be an issue. whether the log file still writes at the time of ejection I'm not sure. as you've said, and as i've said, if you're going to eject it, best eject it while it's powered up... though you will not lose any of your shots, as long as you're not in the middle of recording them to the drive. but it's probably a good thing to do.

with flash based media (CF, SSD) there should be no reason to eject and remount just to power cycle.
 
dino g said:
i received my red one #0031 on september 07, 2007. i am certain you received yours well after that when the one on one accessibility to the founding group was more limited. perhaps the message was not disseminated as freely at that time. however i have posted dozens of times about this and there are many many stories about rental house drives that failed because of this issue.
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Dino, you sure this is not an isolated incident that was possibly fixed down the road? I'd also been shooting since mid 2007 on R1 and never had i heard about that power down process and nor had i practiced it. If it is the case, then the info was not sent up the pipeline very openly or should i say not announced to well. I do recall the procedure for ejecting the red raid while powered on to put a new one on etc....or maybe i recall this as you've mentioned....but i never had problems and did not eject as such.

**In any case sure seems this SHOULD NOT be the case for solid state media, but guess we need to wait and here now that its a wide open discussion with many more folks listening.
 
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