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EIZO CG318-4K Self-Calibrating DCI Display Announced

Thanks for the insight Jeff. You gave us something to think of. My wife especially liked that you mentioned the part of a nice dinner (or in her case tons of art and photography books!).
It sounds like we should get a better calibrator!! I'm so sick of strange color casts! So what calibrator would you recommend exactly?

I must say that HDR monitors sounds exciting but I have a feeling we need to wait until next year to see more good ones.
Sadly I have not had a chance to actually see these monitors so I have to listen to what internet says, but I never found internet to be that useful for monitor reviews. Here are some of the notes I have made from various places. If they are correct is of course hard to tell, first hand experience like what you have is of course much better.

The other monitors I compared with are BenQ SW320, various Dells, Nec.
- Colors. Eizo 99% of the Adobe RGB, HP’s Z27x (87%) or the Apple 5K iMac 78%
- Uniform color. Most colors have 5% color variation, "CG318-4K’s average Delta-E was 0.62 and the maximum was 1.04 – exceptional when compared to the Z27x, which had an impressive average of 0.9 but a max of 3.9. The 5K iMac’s average Delta-E was 1.66 – higher than the CG318-4K’s maximum – with its own maximum being 5.0."
- Uniform Luminance. NEC has 1 stop less light in the corners, iMac has 50% less in corners (1 stop) Some of the other monitors hae 20% less lights in the coners. The Eizo is very uniform.
- Contrast measure is about 1200 for Eizo. If I rememeber correctly most of the others are around 800.
- Blacks. If I remember the Eizo has about 5x less light in the blacks than the others (Toms Hardware).
- Eizo startup takes 3 minutes to get the right colors, while others around 30 minute.
- Sample variation. From what I read people are sending monitors back multiple times to find a sample that is not uneven in colors. Eizo seems better here at least.

This was a fairly old glowing review of Eizo:
https://luminous-landscape.com/eizo-cg318-4k-review-the-cutting-edge-of-high-end-graphic-displays/

But yes, maybe what we should do is get a new WORKING calibrator. Possibly wait for better screens later, seems like lots is happening with HDR at the moment. Most of our color work at the moment is for photography for fun so may not be worth pumping in money into right now. Or possibly get a cheaper 4k monitor. The LG sounds interesting but we have a PC so don't think we can use TB3 at all. We have TB1 on our Supermicro motherboard.

Best!
Andreas
 
Quietly watching this thread also needing another decent monitor for grading sometime within the next year. Thought that HP did do a 4k Dreamcolor with the z32x?

I suppose I forgot about the Z32X. Never seen one with my own eyes. They are replacing it with the Z31X, which you can pre-order right now for Q1-ish availability... $5K price tag on the new one, but I would definitely want to play with one and give it a good test drive before buying, given their recent track record with their displays. The Z27X is a complete dud.
 
Right up there in price with the Eizo but it seems like bringing nothing new to the table? Just being years late to the table.. Kind of an odd offering.
 
I bought an XRite Pro 1 calibrator
Will be interesting to compare the colors with. I think we will wait a bit until HDR monitors comes out. Asus ProArt seems to have good features on paper at least and should hopefully be released fairly soon.
Myself I don't really know what to expect from HDR monitors. Are they not uncomfortably bright to work with? Would you switch back and forward between normal mode and HDR mode? 1000 nits is not comfortable if you are in a semi dark room that is for sure.
We have the Samsung OLEDs at work, but they are not that strong, around 600 nits, blacks are of course amazing.
/Andreas
 
Ok, Just calibrated 2 screens with Xrite i1. Both of the motitors are now very similar which I could never achieve with the Spyder.
I would always get some strange tint in one and a strange tint in the other.
Thanks for the tip Jeff. I think I will wait for the HDR monitors down the line.
&Andreas
 
Ok, Just calibrated 2 screens with Xrite i1. Both of the motitors are now very similar which I could never achieve with the Spyder.
I would always get some strange tint in one and a strange tint in the other.
Thanks for the tip Jeff. I think I will wait for the HDR monitors down the line.
&Andreas

just a quick note to the Eizos and calibration - I'm not sure which exact probe u used:

if u used an i1Pro 1/2 (spectro), then ur low end shadows are compromised. u need a colorimeter for that.
if u used the i1D3 colorimeter, then u need to use spectro reference offsets for the i1D3, as the colorimeter's color accuracy is based on static filters - not good

so, ur goal is always to use a ref profiled colorimeter, so u get the best of both worlds: color accuracy, read speed, low end accuracy, (better) repeatability

problem is (unless this has changed recently) that ColorNavigator (Eizo's software) does not allow to apply ref offsets to a probe, and therefore it is unusable for proper calibration. u have to resort to external software.
 
just a quick note to the Eizos and calibration - I'm not sure which exact probe u used:

if u used an i1Pro 1/2 (spectro), then ur low end shadows are compromised. u need a colorimeter for that.
if u used the i1D3 colorimeter, then u need to use spectro reference offsets for the i1D3, as the colorimeter's color accuracy is based on static filters - not good

so, ur goal is always to use a ref profiled colorimeter, so u get the best of both worlds: color accuracy, read speed, low end accuracy, (better) repeatability

problem is (unless this has changed recently) that ColorNavigator (Eizo's software) does not allow to apply ref offsets to a probe, and therefore it is unusable for proper calibration. u have to resort to external software.

Hi Mike! I never used a colorimeter so the concept is a bit new to me. I just got the i1 Display Pro which is a spectro. I don't have the Eizo or a monitor of that caliber yet so still running on older screens. As I understand a good combination is to have both a spectro and a colorimeter. Is that correct?

Best,
Andreas
 
Hi Mike! I never used a colorimeter so the concept is a bit new to me. I just got the i1 Display Pro which is a spectro. I don't have the Eizo or a monitor of that caliber yet so still running on older screens. As I understand a good combination is to have both a spectro and a colorimeter. Is that correct?

Best,
Andreas

i1 Display Pro === i1D3 === colorimeter
i1Pro 1/2 === spectro

the names are similar so can be confusing for newbies. Application/usage of any of the two probe types is the same, it is just that the characteristics of the instruments differ.

U want to utilize the best characteristics from each probe to ultimately end up with the highest accuracy in readings, so that the calculated correction is as effective as possible.
 
I finally had a chance to test an Eizo at the Photography Show in Birmingham.
Brought all my final graded photos and inspected them. The screen looked very nice, big and with high resolution, but then I do not have other mid-level monitors to compare with.

I would not mind buying one now, but I heard rumours that a new model is coming later this year and maybe other monitors are coming to the market as well. The 4k monitor market seems quite empty at the moment in this feature set. It also feels as if you cannot trust the launch dates of future monitors.

I desperately need a better monitor though!
/Andreas
 
I just picked up an Eizo CG318 and couldn't be happier. Very sharp and accurate. I've got it hooked up to my Imac Pro.
 

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I just picked up an Eizo CG318 and couldn't be happier. Very sharp and accurate. I've got it hooked up to my Imac Pro.

Great to hear Ronald! We will see if we upgrade to it as well. It seems great and what I currently have is very sad.
/Andreas
 
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