EDL problems

[Christoffer Glans]

I'm trying to export a feature film EDL to do R3D trims in Redcine-X, but when double checking that all the material trimmed correctly by using the same EDL and relinking to the R3D trims, the timeline is 20 minutes shorter than the actual edit and some parts just "flicker through clips" rather than have the correct editing at that point.

What the hell is going on?

 

[Matthew Quinn]

ugh..what did you edit on?

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Avid Media Composer, did the list tool export of the timeline with handles in order to get more into the trim files, then using a regular EDL with 0 handles to match up the edit with the trimmed R3Ds. Timeline has been cleaned up with only R3Ds on track one and split screens of those R3Ds on track 2 with BlackMagic shots and other cameras on track 3-5. I've been doing this the same forever and never encountered this result. Also, there's nothing wrong with the material in the edit. We did some test scenes a while back which worked and I can also see that some scenes work fine now, it's just that some others doesn't work at all.

Another thing is that during some fight scenes I edited out 1-2 frames in order to make punches more "heavy", but during those rapid frames in the same shot, it seems to cut to other footage instead of just keep being the same shot split-up.

Trying to check the EDL in resolve now, and also use an AAF, but it's slow as hell to load over 2500 clips of R3D into it. I just need the R3D trim to work so that the colorist can get all the clips from there instead of relinking to the entire original material. Otherwise I need to deliver 8 drives of material compared to 1 :/

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Some of the "flickering" problematic scenes seem to work when using the trimmed material in resolve together with the EDL, so it seems that the footage all went through Redcines trim fine. But in Resolve, the EDL sometimes point to clips that are totally wrong. One scene had clips from camera "E" (E003_C002) instead of "A" (A011_C020), as it should be. That doesn't make sense at all. How can Resolve interpret clips from camera A as camera E? It's not even the same letter in the source clip. I'm using the 32_FILENAME EDL, also tried the new 129_FILENAME in order to completely include any letters in the file names.

Nothing makes sense :tongue_smilie:

 

[Matthew Quinn]

I've only just started working with Media Composer, I'm actually cutting a Feature on it.. I am about to go through the same process.. this scares me @@.. I wish i had answers, I will look into this

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Actually, Media Composer is the only NLE that is working great with AAF and EDLs. It's actually the foundation for it. So you can't be better of when editing than using Media Composer if that's the end goal of delivery. There's no other NLE by comparison that works better.

The problem I see is that both Resolve and Redcine don't force interpret the EDL or AAF original filenames. As soon as a clip has the same timecode (time of day code), it freaks out and link to the wrong clip, which is stupid since it should link to the filename first, THEN the timecode. Can't seem to figure out how to force these programs to do it correctly.

 

[Jake Wilganowski]

Resolve sometimes does weird stuff. Every single project I've used an EDL with something weird has gone on. Right now, one clip is showing up purple. It can be fixed but it is annoying. Also, I've noticed if it's a large project, the more complex the grade the funnier it can act.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Do the r3d trim in resovle instead. Red cine does not handle altered clips and desolves and such very well. So better bring it trough resolve and export r3d trim with handles and create XML out of resolve for online / grading.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

Do the r3d trim in resovle instead. Red cine does not handle altered clips and desolves and such very well. So better bring it trough resolve and export r3d trim with handles and create XML out of resolve for online / grading.

It's not really the problem here. The EDL out of Avid looked weird in Redcine-X, so I thought the output trimmed R3D were too short because of it. When importing the AAF into Resolve and relinking to the trimmed R3D-files they seem to show exact lengths without lacking material. Problem now is that there are a lot of clips that point to other clips of the same timecode, even though their original filename is different.

Say I have a clip thats E005_C002 and it has timecode 16:41:00:00 - 16:41:10:00, then there's another clip somewhere else in the film named A002_C005 that has the timecode 16:41:02:00 - 16:41:07:00. Resolve seem to link to both those clips instead of just reading the damn AAF/EDL and relink to the one with the correct filename.

It does this on every project I pull in with either EDLs or AAFs. On shorter projects I just scroll through the timeline and relink manually to the correct clip, but Resolve shouldn't even be doing this because it's rather retarded. The logic would say that the filename is searched for first, THEN the timecode of that clip.

 

[Brian Merlen]

sounds like a bug, id check with both red and avid and see if an update/downgrade helps? i know with my avid->resolve workflow AAFs seemed to work for me and EDLs not at all with what I was trying recently but the machines kept crashing and got no where despite my efforts...

with resolve did you go into the settings to make sure to match clip names/timecode and all that? i have a good cheat sheet somewhere on the settings I've used that worked well...

 

[Marc Wielage]

I have not had great success trying to trim R3D clips, particularly clips that are spanned across multiple R3Ds within an RDC folder. The files break at the 4GB file size limit, so it's A001_C001_022789_001, _002, _003 and so on. When you try to trim clips like this, I can say for sure that Resolve gets confused.

For this reason, I usually just rely on media-managing the reels for features down to the selected takes, and that's usually enough to drop the space requirements by 75%. 5-6TB of space I can handle; 20-30TB of space is a big headache.

I think Redcine-X Pro is useful for certain things, but I think it makes more sense to use a conforming app like Resolve to pare the material down. It's manageable once you grasp the fundamentals of how conforming works and how the AAFs come in. I've had some AAF's in recent months from Avid 8.3 / 8.4 come in that were flawless, including repositions, speed changes, the works.

 

[Christoffer Glans]

sounds like a bug, id check with both red and avid and see if an update/downgrade helps? i know with my avid->resolve workflow AAFs seemed to work for me and EDLs not at all with what I was trying recently but the machines kept crashing and got no where despite my efforts...

with resolve did you go into the settings to make sure to match clip names/timecode and all that? i have a good cheat sheet somewhere on the settings I've used that worked well...

Yeah, I googled a little and found some info about a checkbox in the project settings which points to searching through filenames, which seems to work, but not 100%. Still need to go through every clip and pinpoint problems, which shouldn't be needed really.