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Dvice Names Red one of "Top 7 American-made technologies"

That's a lovely bed time story, Peter, but you're leaving out the larger part of the picture, the part that is much more atrocious. So atrocious in fact that should I mention it point by point it would likely get me banned from these boards.
So, let's put our childish notions of national morality and integrity and deities aside and agree that Jim is making a grand and important gesture in a country that has been brought to its knees because its democratically elected government failed to value the most basic principles of community etc. etc. etc..
 
Peter Moretti said:
The America Revolution was not fought so the Colonists could buy from the lowest cost producer.

The United States was founded on the ideal that there are certain rights every individual is born with and which no government should have the power to take away. Related to this is the rejection of the implicit and explicit justification of divine right for monarchy.

John Adams was the moving force behind Independence. While the founders were of varied religious backgrounds, Adams was a devoted Christian. It was his belief in a personal God that cares for each and every one of His creations that shaped his view on independence for the Colonies.

The Battle of Bunker Hill was America's Red One. Everyone was surprised at the victory by an utterly inexperienced army fighting against the British who were the most powerful and experienced force in the world. The rest of the Revolution was more like building Epic and Scarlet: delays, setbacks, spiraling costs, nay says and the designers working to the point of absolute physical and mental exhaustion.

But these efforts were never done to secure the right of North Americans two hundred and thirty-three years later to buy $39 DVD players made by slave labor living in "workers dorms" half way around the world on the outskirts of the most polluted city known to man. No, not Newark, Beijing.

The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, three equal but separate branches of government, democratic elections, these were not motivated by some inherent good of a person repeating the same task 18 hours a day and finally jumping off the factory roof so their family can get death benefits.

America was founded on humanist and religious ideals that can be found in places like the writings of Aristotle and Plato and the books of the Bible.
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Right on, Peter. Happy 4th of July!
 
As far as the Capitalism Magazine article is concerned:
The author fails to mention extenuating circumstances- most likely because they are commonly understood.

Example (1) : Two toaster ovens sit on a retailer's shelf. One is foreign, but is manufactured by a family whose fairly recent history involves supporting acts of genocide. You opt for the other, domestic toaster. A no brainer.

(2) A camera manufacturing company is started up by a man who is himself a passionate image maker. This upstart (American) company is going up against
some of the biggest names in the field by daring to set new standards, and to
offer the resulting products at a fraction of their potential price:
"good business move", we might think, but the man is also quite familiar
to us through his willingness to communicate on a one to one basis,
and we have no reason to doubt his integrity and the sense of fairness
- an uncommon trait in the industry- that helps drive his aspirations.
And we find a similar quality in the people that help create his products.

Not that I expect to get all teary eyed and stubbornly biased when it comes
time to choose my next camera, but outstanding qualities in both the
technology and its creators will play an important role in my decision making process.
 
Bill Anderson said:
As far as the Capitalism Magazine article is
Not that I expect to get all teary eyed and stubbornly biased when it comes
time to choose my next camera, but outstanding qualities in both the
technology and its creators will play an important role in my decision making process.
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Glad you mentioned "creators". US has a culture that welcomes innovation coupled with the "can do" attitude. However, IMHO, it is difficult to label a technically difficult product, such as Red camera, as a fully American product. I think what one should be able to claim is that companies such as Red have sought to keep certain design, R&D, and some partial implementation jobs in US, instead of a bulk of it going overseas. However, the understanding should be clear that keeping jobs in US does not necessarily mean that foreign/naturalized workers are not employed in many of those positions. Why look further, it would appear that Red's own Graeme Nattress is British, unless he was born in US, which I'm not privy to. Regardless, there are certain benefits to keeping the overall structure and organization of such companies in US and its value addition to local economy.

Joofa
 
Bill Anderson said:
So, let's put our childish notions of national morality and integrity and deities aside and agree that Jim is making a grand and important gesture in a country that has been brought to its knees because its democratically elected government failed to value the most basic principles of community etc. etc. etc..
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I suggest you pack your bags and set out on a journey to find somewhere better. Once you find this place send me a post card and don't look back.
 
Jannard said:
I don't think this article said anything about buying American... and for all you "buzz-kill" guys, if somebody doesn't design, engineer and make something in the US... we are all in trouble. It would be sad, in my eyes, to see the US become a service only country.

Almost 90% of the sunglasses that Oakley sells are made in Foothill Ranch. And our current plan is to manufacture EPIC in the US.... completely. That doesn't mean that you need to buy one over a German or Japanese product... it just means that we believe in the capability for US companies to compete heads up with the rest of the world...

I don't read too much in this article more than an acknowledgment of our efforts to create jobs and do something important here in the US. Our customers will decide how well we did... not the press.

Jim
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I can tell you one thing, the Value of American made products is at an all time high worldwide. The influx of substandard Asian made products to markets worldwide has overshadowed the high quality Asian made products. American made products no matter how simple they may be, are very much appreciated worldwide. America manufacturers primary targets used to be Americans. Today America is the R&D epicenter of the world. Tomorrow America will be the manufacturing base of the worlds top rated products. I am not just talking about power plants etc, I am talking all products. Mark my words. This is still one of the greatest countries on the planet that offers opportunities to hard working relentless dreamers.
 
Jannard said:
I don't think this article said anything about buying American... and for all you "buzz-kill" guys, if somebody doesn't design, engineer and make something in the US... we are all in trouble. It would be sad, in my eyes, to see the US become a service only country.

Almost 90% of the sunglasses that Oakley sells are made in Foothill Ranch. And our current plan is to manufacture EPIC in the US.... completely.

Jim
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I for one, will be just a bit more proud to carry a "Made in USA" Epic. I was just entering the video business as a young man when RCA was shutting down their camera business (their last camera - the hawkeye - was the first broadcast one piece camcorder and also the first with chips rather than tubes, so the great granddaddy of the redone.)

Thanks, Jim for bringing things full circle and making a camera the stands up to anything from anyone, anywhere.
 
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