DSMC2. Unified.

[Adam Brian Dada]

Not out of luck at all.

Great to hear, Brent! Was worried there for a minute because I received the (used) camera on Tuesday last week and then immediately left town for 3 weeks and didn't get around to reading up on how to transfer ownership if it was possible.

Appreciate the quick reply, thanks!

 

[Reuben Evans]

Curious when the upgrade chart pricing goes live:

Starting Summer 2018, RED will offer the Sensor Upgrade options described in the table below. To learn more about an upgrade option or to request the upgrade, click the corresponding link in the Sensor Upgrade Type column.


"Summer" as in today or "Summer" as in June 21?

(asking because the 29,5 upgrade I'd been eyeing is now 39,5)

Yes for Weapon Helium owners, our camera value just halved!! And to move into the Monstro went up an additional 33%. So the owners who had carefully choose to be in a Weapon class camera, because we were told by Jared the Weapon class would be where we need to be for all further updates. And that is true, just didn't expect the bottom to come crashing up to the top.


I don't want to complain, because I have made money off the my investment in RED, and I have been on the positive end of most Red price changes and upgrades. Just hurts to be on the other end.

Yeah, the pain is real for Weapon CF owners! But I’m happy for everyone else!

 

[Brent Carter]

Are there ever going to be any upgrade paths for Raven ?

As we have stated many times, no.

 

[DJ Meyer]

Still pushing all the pages live. All goes live today shortly...

welp, so much for that. ha

 

[Scott Evans]

For those of you with the Weapon helium or Gemini, I'm in a predicament. It's now the same price to go from Epic-W helium to Gemini and Weapon and I can't decide which has more benefits. The 8k 60 FPS is super enticing but I love the footage I'm seeing out of Gemini thus far. Which would you guys suggest?

 

[Brent Carter]

Any word regarding price protection for those who purchased Gemini's in the last few weeks?

Jamie, your EPIC-W GEMINI can now but updated to a DSMC2 GEMINI at no cost to you. Which means, you essentially got WEAPON-class specs.

 

[Marco Werner]

Is this real, 25k for a „Weapon Helium“ which shoots 8k 60fps?

Thats an incredible good deal for all Epic-W owners, but also incredibly dissapointing for all current Weapon Helium owners..
Now my camera is only worth half the price..

 

[Sean Slobodan]

Nice work guys this is smart and seems like an amazing move. I'm curious what my options are right now with my CF Weapon Dragon 6K? Had planned on throwing a Gemini in there, which I still may, but by that point I will have paid around $55,000 for what people can get into now for $20,000 new (minus the CF aspect). All good, this is how this goes, just curious what my sensor options and prices for me might look like at this point as I'm looking to move on from Dragon. Thanks!

 

[Brent Carter]

To push our updated brochure and builder pages, we need to so a quick reboot. RED.com will be down for about 5 minutes momentarily.

 

[ryanpostas]

Hopefully I'm just misinterpreting this new infirmation, but it looks like the Monstro is now $54k new, (which is only $5k more than what I paid for Helium) but now the upgrade jumped from $29k to $39.5k?? please say it ain't so

We just fixed that.


We have aligned ourselves with new partners to retool our manufacturing process and dramatically improved our supply chain. We have trimmed the excess. We have isolated our camera businesses completely on its own so it's costs are transparent and only burdened by itself.

And the results have been immediate.


Some things will become more expensive, some will become more affordable through this transparency.

Manufacturing just one body with all the same insides (as weapon) it gets the qty up to take advantage of volume pricing.

Monstro moves the other way… its an expensive sensor to make so it’s price will go dramatically up as it stands alone in paying for itself through this transperency. There is a window though that we can help with that… Since we do have an inventory of Monstro Sensors in hand, we can put them into the new unified body and it becomes actually cheaper ( for the moment )



The math wont make sense right now. Don’t try and make sense of it. You can goto a dealer right now and buy a Scarlet-W from them and pay the upgrade to DSMC2 Gemini for cheaper than it is to actually by a DSMC2 Gemini outright. There are some other examples that won't make sense.. but 99% of them are in your favor so don't ask questions


So... onto the good stuff.

For Gemini...

$12,500 for an upgrade from Scarlet-W to DSMC2 Gemini.

$14,500 for an upgrade from DSCM1 Dragon cameras to DSMC2 Gemini.

$4,950 to upgrade Epic-W internals to the new unified DSMC2 ( Weapon class ) brain.


All new cameras will have price adjustments as well.

I know I probably just bored half of you all with way too much behind the scenes info so here you can skip to the new plan in detail :

http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc2-brain

https://support.red.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001279007

 

[Marco Eisenbarth]

I bought a Monstro of couple of months ago...it's now worth 25.000 Euros/Dollar less?!

 

[Jaimy Soares]

For those of you with the Weapon helium or Gemini, I'm in a predicament. It's now the same price to go from Epic-W helium to Gemini and Weapon and I can't decide which has more benefits. The 8k 60 FPS is super enticing but I love the footage I'm seeing out of Gemini thus far. Which would you guys suggest?

How do you finish? Do you need 8K or are you shooting on a lot of lowlight sets? Dark no lights? Then gemini. I work most of the time on lit stuff so the 8K is mouthwatering for me. And soon 60FPS option is amazing.

 

[Brent Carter]

Hey Brent,

I'm a bit confused. I thought you pay €12900 and get to DSMC2 Gemini (From SW Upgrade).

So is it correct that from there on it's $4950 to switch from DSMC2 Gemini to DSMC2 Helium? Or is it $9500? :s

SCARLET-W DRAGON > DSMC2 GEMINI is $12,500. If you want to upgrade that to a HELIUM, you pay for HELIUM sensor, $9500.

 

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Isn't my current Weapon 8K S35 technically already the same internally as these new "Unified Bodies"?

 

[Scott Evans]

How do you finish? Do you need 8K or are you shooting on a lot of lowlight sets? Dark no lights? Then gemini. I work most of the time on lit stuff so the 8K is mouthwatering for me. And soon 60FPS option is amazing.

Usually a 4k Finish, but I'm obsessed with the look of a 4k finish after downsampling from 8k. Right now I just hate windowing in for any kind of higher frame rate. I shoot on a mix of both environments, but I'm also just taking storage space into account as the 8k is a monster and 5k would be some relief. It's a tough decision.

 

[Brent Carter]

Hopefully I'm just misinterpreting this new infirmation, but it looks like the Monstro is now $54k new, (which is only $5k more than what I paid for Helium) but now the upgrade jumped from $29k to $39.5k?? please say it ain't so

That is exactly what it says:

"Monstro moves the other way… its an expensive sensor to make so it’s price will go dramatically up as it stands alone in paying for itself through this transperency. There is a window though that we can help with that… Since we do have an inventory of Monstro Sensors in hand, we can put them into the new unified body and it becomes actually cheaper ( for the moment )

The math wont make sense right now. Don’t try and make sense of it. "

 

[Matt Devino]

You can goto a dealer right now and buy a Scarlet-W from them and pay the upgrade to DSMC2 Gemini for cheaper than it is to actually by a DSMC2 Gemini outright. There are some other examples that won't make sense.. but 99% of them are in your favor so don't ask questions

So... onto the good stuff.

For Gemini...

$12,500 for an upgrade from Scarlet-W to DSMC2 Gemini.

https://support.red.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001279007

Love the idea of the unified bodies, great work guys.

However, maybe I'm bad at math... but if the Scarlet-W is staying at $12,500 for the brain, and the upgrade price is $12,500 on top of that, and a new Gemini is $20k it seems like it's $5k more expensive to do the above... Also seems like us Scarlet-W owners are probably better off trying to sell our brains on the used market for around $10k and buying a new Gemini instead of doing the upgrade path. Not hating on the option though, just some observation.

 

[Brent Carter]

To push our updated brochure and builder pages, we need to so a quick reboot. RED.com will be down for about 5 minutes momentarily.

Deployment is over. RED.com is now back up.

 

[Yale Goodman]

This is awesome news. I have thinking of upgrading my SW to Gemini for low light capability. How long are these upgrade prices available?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I’m sitting here looking at my two Monstro VV cameras.... One of which I was about to put up for sale since I would like to offload it in favor of a Gemini. I suppose now it’s better to just sell the VV sensor and get a Gemini sensor for that body, maybe. Either way, that $24.5K sudden devaluation was like a swift kick in the balls. Huzzah, everybody!